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how is one plant alerting another plant that its in danger proof that it feels pain? heres my proof that they do not feel pain "Given that plants do not have pain receptors, nerves, or a brain, they do not feel pain as we members of the animal kingdom understand it. Uprooting a carrot or trimming a hedge is not a form of botanical torture, and you can bite into that apple without worry. However, it seems that many plants can perceive and communicate physical stimuli and damage in ways that are more sophisticated than previously thought. Some plants have obvious sensory abilities, such as the Venus flytrap and its incredible traps that can close in about half a second. Similarly, the sensitive plant rapidly collapses its leaves in response to touch, an adaptation that might serve to startle away potential herbivores. While these plants visibly display a clear sensory capacity, recent research has shown that other plants are able to perceive and respond to mechanical stimuli at a cellular level. Arabidopsis (a mustard plant commonly used in scientific studies) sends out electrical signals from leaf to leaf when it is being eaten by caterpillars or aphids, signals to ramp up its chemical defenses against herbivory. While this remarkable response is initiated by physical damage, the electrical warning signal is not equivalent to a pain signal, and we should not anthropomorphize an injured plant as a plant in pain. Plants have exceptional abilities to respond to sunlight, gravity, wind, and even tiny insect bites, but (thankfully) their evolutionary successes and failures have not been shaped by suffering, just simple life and death." i debunk your claims by simply saying that they are basic rudimentary functions for survival, nothing close to being able to precieve and process something as complex as pain even some oysters are believed to not feel pain, so im not buying that something as basic as plants can

yes, plants can communicate with each other how does this link to them processing pain?

look, my problem is im coming from a stance of "heres biologically why they can not feel pain as compared to how animals feel pain" and from my point of view your coming with "but they can do other things that are surprising." without anything linking that to the ability to feel pain it just isnt the same, do you see where im coming from?

no, theyr warning other plants of danger because they are injured not in pain injured they can tell that they are injured and show self preservalence as well as a signal to its other kind to preserve itself, but again this does not mean they feel pain and id like to know how you link the two with some biological evidence

biologically we can prove they dont have the capability to feel pain "Given that plants do not have pain receptors, nerves, or a brain, they do not feel pain as we members of the animal kingdom understand it." can plants become stressed? sure, but its not the same as pain