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gotchaa. yeah really wanted to add ya just incase we were co-roasting some right-leaning person and we wanted to comment about it haha. i was lurking in the presidential thread and was about to pop off there but ya posted and I was like.....well i can't post there NOW because of all *points above* this. i'm fairly awkward with actions but good with words and conversation in the moment. ethics involving anything ALWAYS on the table for discussing. veganism is cool too, not my thing but anything that ppl can get passionate about is always nice to hear. i'm pretty into social justice discourse too. hyper-left mentality or bust, yo!

if your on the opposite of my political leanings we could always discuss that too :3! iv had good convos with friends from the opposite side that was just an exchange of thoughts, nothing heated

ill admit it can be hard when you feel like your not being heard xD but that's why when its with friends its easier arguments have to always be in good faith or they will degrade

whatever ya want. i have 2 rl friends that are like that. super right-leaning trump-supporting swbs. they're pretty sharp but relatively morally bankrupt haha. we have heated-yet-civil arguments all the time. what would you have me discuss or debate? any comments from prior or want to divulge into something else?

hey, it's nice to be in an echo chamber sometimes, ya know? especially with weeby ppl. kinda the reason why I came here. just wanted to immerse myself with my people haha. so far I am not disappointed. umm how do you feel about guns and gun control? also how about cowboy bebop? i could care less about gun control and really think cowboy bebop is cool and artsy for sure but it's not that riveting to watch imo

(sorry if it seems like im cherry picking but I wasnt kidding when I said I have paragraph allergies x3 its hard for me to read already xD) "disagree what classifies as "something" as well as what is an "unreasonable reason"" Can you prove that you need to eat meat to be healthy? Because otherwise it is the definition of unreasonable. Carnists eat meat because its tasty, aka for fun, but we condone animal abuse for other forms of entertainment? "not totally certain in those specific situations. seems like that would be something one has to consent to prior to being engaged in as the consumed. but i think that if a sapient consenting individual is okay with that then yeah it's totally ethical." No in this case its a tribe that still practices eating your enemy for ritual purposes (not sure the specific ritual, but) So in this case of culture is cannibalism ethical? "to me, it would be exceedingly immoral. bodily autonomy is definitely something that should be held sacred for sapient creatures. to violate that in most cases (maybe aside from restraining a violent person and the like) is obnoxious as it's an obvious no-no. i think someone who would could get so wrapped up in physical pleasure to the point where they'd violate someone's autonomy like that is pretty shortsighted and primitive. [hu]man have the big brain for a reason! may as well use it and not be a jackass haha." Can I ask why you think this is immoral? Can you explain what part of your applied ethics says that this is wrong? The women would never know and the man derives pleasure. "It will/does/did. at those periods in time! to me, morality can only be as objective as the hivemind of the cognitive entities that contribute to it. " I don't really understand this, so please don't think I'm being rude x3, but can't you use this to defend anything terrible? I mean white people also tried to help with the underground railroad, so isn't it fair to say that even people who are born into these terrible cultures know righty from wrong, and therefore the people around them should be held to the same standard?

i totally agree xD im so use to arguing on here its like a breath of fresh air to see someone that sees things my way as well xD

"Can you prove that you need to eat meat to be healthy?" I cannot prove that I need to eat meat to be healthy. Can you definitively prove that not eating meat is healthier than doing so? Otherwise I'd imagine that's a moot point. I can say it's probably easier/cheaper/more accessible to eat healthily while not going out of one's way to avoid meat. Maybe even a bit of wanton classism to demand veganism from your comrades. I also think there's something to be said about taste and appetite. Some people really struggle with appetite and the smell of burning animal flesh can physically help stimulate the human appetite. I don't think taste == fun is a fair statement. I think there's a whole separate conversation to be had about what constitutes as abuse when consuming animal flesh for nutrition. 'is that specific cannibalism ethical' i really don't know. that is a contrived-ass situation haha. ummm it's definitely not the nicest thing they could be doing but all things considered, it's not that bad. depends on how important burial rites are for the other tribe I'd imagine. if that really fucked with any tribes' burial shit then yeah that's a no-go. "Can you explain what part of your applied ethics says that this is wrong?" that's a really smart question to pry into my brain. you're good at this. I think there is an "omnipotent observer" thing going on on my end. just because no one would ever have knowledge of a shitty action transpiring doesn't stop it from being a shitty action that transpired. that carries weight to me, I can see why it wouldn't to ethicists in a formal sense. when the ethical trees falls in the woods and no one is around to hear it, you can bet money that, to me, it still makes a sound. "but can't you use this to defend anything terrible?" yes, one could. I don't think defend is the right word. more like, define. if over 50% of sapient creatures feel a certain way, morally speaking, that's pretty much the way it is, no matter how depraved or lame it may seem to a select or certain few. "... and therefore the people around them should be held to the same standard?" i mean you and I think like that, because, ya know, we think about shit and expect our peers to do the same haha. but no I don't think they should. it's hard to self-actualize, or even coming remotely close to doing it. it honestly seems impossible because physical security is the opposite of a guarantee in this world. we're very lucky we got to spend enough time just thinking about nothing and everything to touch on these abstract ideas. imagine just trying to claw your way to survive through the brutal oppression of the regime above you and trying to be poetic and philosophical and shit. it's nice that some people do but definitely not required in my eyes. hopefully that adds some more perspective =p