Why women should take risks and responsibility

Must not join maelstrom. difficult since both have points, but are overall wrong... Just going to take a cue from Muffin. https://thenerdygirlexpress.files.wordpress.com/2016/09/tumblr_inline_o51flmq5j01rgf1lw_500.gif?w=500&h=198&crop=1

^A joke to the users that made the jokes, but was it funny to the OP? Why is that ok, but this isn't? edit: btw I'm not defending that other dude; I groan at both OP's... I'm just wondering why it's ok to be a hypocrite.

XD!God I feel like I'm in school again with all the reading your making me do. Also thanks to muffin for putting my thoughts into words. I'm on a phone and too lazy slap on piles of texts on this tiny screen that autocorrects me every two words. Also, what I meant by too harsh is the fact you've mostly been shouting rather than discussing. From my point of view he's not nearly as bad as you're trying to portray.

Imma try one of those hipster tl;dr thingies... *ahem* tl;dr This thread is practically dead. nothing but shouting and reiterating what was said to the point of either redundancy, or maybe you just want to let off some steam. Time for a more lax thread. .......................................................................... Never mind, I can't do it for this. Look, the entire problem is the starting post. No i don't think there is a problem per say with your opinion. Its not that you were too blunt, or unafraid to hurt peoples feelings. Or rather, not the only issue. The Title of the thread is "Why women should take risks and take responsibility" is already seen as an attack. not a discussion. an ATTACK. And instead of "doing what you wanted the thread to do to stay on topic" you decided to put out a whole justification on why women biologically are programmed to not do what you said they should. Only sliding in the want for women to tell their story somewhere in the middle, as if they are only going to care about THAT and not anything else you said. It makes it seem like a cop-out. When it comes to conversing, there are three different ways it is translated: 1. How the speaker meant it. 2. How the receiver took it. 3. The words used to express, and what they directly mean (this is 3 because often times we dont express things the way the language wishes us to. The entire tone of your first post wasn't just blunt. i can appreciate blunt. being straightforward is what i prefer. But you literally did nothing in your whole post but say "They need-" "They have this problem-" "they should-" They they they. The whole of the post FEELS like an attack. and to further make it worse, you personified the entire half a sex as just being drones. You cant go onto a public forum and go "YOU have this problem that YOU need to fix because YOU..." and then be like, "How about you tell us a story of your experiences, where you decided not to wait and just go for it," and think they would ignore it. they were GOING to be offended. (obviously not all, just look at how logical muffin can be, i should give her a muffin) If i were to start this post it would have been simply: "In my experience, most women are not straightforward with who they are interested in. as a man i dont perceive their hints well. i know that myself, as well as the lady in question, missed out on dating because of it. Is there anyone here who has had the same issue, or if any of you ladies out there were more overt in showing your interest, have any stories or advice on such things?" Instead of going into a thing on how "they can change their programming" Got to treat people like people, you can't go up and speak in such a fashion. As for the men do not take risks either side of this thread. This is true, lots of men dont, and yes a lot of females are looked down on for being more aggressive, there really is no answer to this issue, because human society is still changing as it always does. Id agree with being more straightforward, but its not going to work for everyone. Again, the human species, are inefficient by nature. edited: first paragraph.

I never had a relationship, and I never knew what the reason was for it. I mean thinking back it could all lead ot the fact that I was/still am extremeful shy of what others think of me. This whole gender roles of asking someone out or confessing makes it extremely difficult for me to ask someone out. I really really want to date someone and have a girlfriend. So giving up on the idea entirely is not an option for me.

So let's see if I'm understanding this... it's ok to blatantly make a complete mockery of someone that didn't belittle anyone else because you PERSONALLY (muffin and key) thought it was funny... BUT it's wrong for a few people to sarcastically state we don't care about this OP's opinions because you PERSONALLY (muffin and key) don't think it's funny? So it's "too harsh" when someone doesn't discuss the issue? Can someone explain to me how doing this, along with "Pussy Magnet" is a discussion? http://a.nime.me/0109/5826/5a6516eb-e47d-45ca-a30e-914520352e3c-508-0000006325cb6298.png Also, disregarding the exchanges between golden and gagger for a moment, where's all this harsh and unfair shouting at the OP? Are you insinuating that I'm part of these unfair acts of hostility because I made a JOKING post about not caring about the OP's opinions? I mean, I PERSONALLY thought my comment was a funny joke, so by your rules (muffin and key) that makes me exempt. Right? Or is there another set of rules which dictate, based on your own PERSONAL belief, what other users are allowed to poke fun at? I think there's a particular word used to describe this behavior of "it's ok for me to do it, just not others," but I'll leave that up to interpretation... So, serious question... where is all the harsh shouting in this thread? Who is shouting? Who is being harsh? What did they say that's unfair? Now, back to golden and gagger's exchanges. Muffin, you're right, this thread was civil at first. Hmmm... but at what point did that all change? Follow me everyone, we're gonna take a field trip to Page 1 and 2 of this thread! Let's see... on page 1 we have some users giving their civil opinions, and the opinions that didn't agree with the OP's get's this response: "Projecting your insecurities onto me solves nothing and only makes you look like a retard." Let's see... and on page 2 when epitaph made a 100% justified opinion against the OP's, his response is telling her that she's only "making an insecure ass of herself." It is from THAT point that the "shouting" began. Notice how NO ONE up to that point made any slanderous comments towards the OP? Notice how no one called him a retard or an insecure ass? Hmmmm... I wonder who started it... Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm........ I can't quite figure out why golden is "shouting" and why a few others have made JOKING remarks at not caring about the OP's opinion... hmmmmmmmmmmmmm...

@cadet depends on what voice people read peoples posts in. i personally dont read it in a shouting format. @snake i feel you, most girls who liked me never said anything, but then again i wasnt really gung ho on dating either. me being interested often always happen when they werent interested and vice versa, it just happens. But if YOU are shy, and the girl is shy, who is going to make that move? Dont give up, you have a while to go. if anything IM closer to giving up, considering my normal dis qualifier is getting bigger every year.