Lamby

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your definition is noted. and hey! don't say never. if any other animals acquired clear sentience and could interact with humans in some kind of formal language I would hope the general consensus is the one that you hold. i really like that benevolent pragmatic utility vibe present there/that we mentioned last night. "I want animals to have the right to life and the ability to live that life unimpeded by humans." I can vibe with that sentiment. It definitely feels like getting into a weird form of murder RP trying to excuse killing animals for consumption, mainly because it feels instinctually justifiable rather than logically. even prior to these discussions, i've felt like eating animal flesh is just sating a carnal desire over something that is necessary or a fundamental part of a normative diet. skipping ahead and coming back "I think indigenous people are morally justified when it comes to their meat consumption." i think not only that, and not saying you don't agree with me here, but i think that there are numerous cases outside of "indigenous people" where meat consumption is ethical. while buying meat from most stores contributes to, which we agree is cruel, industrial animal agriculture, would it not cross the threshold into moral acceptability to only consume independently raised animals that live 'nearly' full lives in 'nearly' free conditions (the definition of nearly being up for debate) i feel as though there are financial/anti-capitalist obligations to concede in that regard, pointing specifically at potential class restrictions of safely/healthily being vegan/vegetarian. "However, the moral consideration of humans will always supersede that of animals" I agree that this will probably always be the case in terms of sapient over non-sapient animals, i don't agree that this SHOULD be the case. if anything I think violating something with a nervous system that can feel emotion and pain should always fall into the realm of morally unacceptable. yes there are all those obvious cases to bring up like saving a person/information from a nonhuman animal but I think that fully relies on instinctual justification rather than a logical one. basically a compooty wouldn't give a fuck if a person can make the world a better place or has insight to the true nature of existence, it's still just a meat sack filled with electricity. to make distinctions beyond that feels arbitrary and poetic rather than concrete and logical. "we are undeniably exceptional when it comes to the members in our kingdom" I mean yeah I absolutely agree but I also feel like we're a bit biased because ya know...we be ppl. It feels really lame to me for the default stance for us to be 'cognition/sentience/sapience is the the defining thing that makes you totally worth a damn'. i mean i DO completely agree but like...still feel as though it needs to be questioned and that skepticism is fair and rational I feel as though you may have questions for me after that =p specifically as to why I still consume meat. lmk ^_^

RIP if only i wasn't a complete noob here i wouldn't have just commented on my own profile like a smartypants. got to throw in some edits to =p here: i have like 35ish mins before i have to dipset to drop off a bday present for a friend but if you don't mind we can start now and pick it up later! before I can answer that, I think i'd like you to define basic moral consideration. to me that is not equivalent to refraining from the slaughter and consumption of nonhuman animal flesh, but clearly from your rationale it is. as it stands I do believe animals are qualified for basic moral consideration, but am unsure as to why it explicitly has to be abstaining from their consumption. I tend to feel alienated when ppl say 'animals' but generally don't include humans. I think it fetishizes our sapience just a bit to act superior in that way to the animal kingdom. I could rant a lot more on that but i wanna hear your thoughts

maybe i'm decently cognitively smart, but i've been really dumb in other intelligences recently so it's hard for me to let you just recklessly think that haha. and if anything you've demonstrated better logic/rationalization skills than i thus far, so i very much so appreciate that compliment. sometimes the swaggy vocab is enough to convince smart people that i'm smart too. it works all too well =p

yeah I mean trivially me as well, to the enjoying our chats bit. i don't typically do things i don't think are fun =p and yeah absolutely. if you present me axioms and discuss theories and corollaries that stem from those i would be delighted to hear and potentially refute those and receive clarification from you as to why i'm a dummy, in any subject matter, veganism, the ethics of it, the ethics of other shit, whatever. love that kind of stuff. and let me be clear, i am a dummy haha. i'm good with words but it's mostly hot air and random streaks of runaway electricity. that being said, the imposition of your will on to my own is welcome and invited. we should have a feast to celebrate this momentous occasion ^_^