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caleb_williams
because i know we will be doing more harm because of transporting said food
caleb_williams
https://www.bbc.com/future/article/20200211-why-the-vegan-diet-is-not-always-green read all of it to understand why
momoichi
Lamby @momoichi commented on debate
May 01, 20 at 4:18am
all food is transported, meat isnt transported any less than plant foods and im not debating the environment im debating why animals should be granted moral consideration just as we grant it to humans i said it once ill say it again veganism is about doing as little harm as possible and the environment impact of meat is nowhere near that of plant agriculture
momoichi
Lamby @momoichi commented on debate
May 01, 20 at 4:19am
@caleb https://i0.wp.com/shrinkthatfootprint.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/Plates.gif?resize=540%2C210 https://www.visualcapitalist.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/02/carbon-footprint-food-prev-1000x600.png
momoichi
Lamby @momoichi commented on debate
May 01, 20 at 4:20am
as i said veganism does less show me a chart that plants have more of a footprint than meat, because your article only goes over the impact of fruits, it doesnt compare it
caleb_williams
you also have to think of the fact that mass tilling of the earth increases erosion you get more for less with meat essentially that is if you use all the animal
momoichi
Lamby @momoichi commented on debate
May 01, 20 at 4:22am
you have to think of the deforestation, caleb more land is used to farm cattle and the food to feed said cattle then plants you cant disregard this, this is why they are burning the rain forest so again, which does less harm? meat or plants? https://images.squarespace-cdn.com/content/v1/5afd7f90da02bc3460703bfe/1556137250707-MN1VF6ENNXEPZZ7CT2BK/ke17ZwdGBToddI8pDm48kMR1yAHb8bPoH1-OdajP2rZZw-zPPgdn4jUwVcJE1ZvWQUxwkmyExglNqGp0IvTJZUJFbgE-7XRK3dMEBRBhUpya-Yv2-AUIrtyc_1d9d84jKAfrgH35AgL5HDK7jKFTEAbkVb2mHFRzAaMt_-j0ggg/Greenhouse+Gases+from+Average+Food+Consumption
caleb_williams
i will give you some key points form that article Angelina Frankowska, who studies sustainability at the University of Manchester, recently found that asparagus eaten in the UK has the highest carbon footprint compared to any other vegetable eaten in the country, with 5.3kg of carbon dioxide being produced for every kilogram of asparagus, mainly because much of it is imported by air from Peru.
momoichi
Lamby @momoichi commented on debate
May 01, 20 at 4:22am
your ignoring what i said which has the less carbon footprint https://i.cbc.ca/1.4931192.1543885401!/fileImage/httpImage/carbon-emissions-from-food.jpg
caleb_williams
But there are other general points to consider when we think about food crops that can drive up the environmental impact. Artificial fertilisers, for example, account for at least 3% of global greenhouse gas emissions, according to the industry. The production of synthetic fertiliser emits carbon dioxide (CO2) and methane into the atmosphere, while their use on fields releases nitrous oxide, another potent greenhouse gas. Agricultural practices such as the tilling of fields also releases large volumes of greenhouse gases into the atmosphere and helps to speed up erosion. These all combine to differing degrees depending on the crop, but there are clearly some plant-based foods that have a disproportionate impact on the environment.
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