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caleb_williams
but you claim that plants don't feel pain well yes I do account they do not have an advance nervous system It is essentially the same way with a human in a coma
caleb_williams
and taking into effect that most invertebrates do not have an advance nervous system as say a cow or a dog, what makes them any different from a plant then hmm
momoichi
Lamby @momoichi commented on debate
May 01, 20 at 2:46am
if the person was brain dead yes, he has the brain function of a plant id say this helps my side more to be honest, so what exactly is your point with this?
momoichi
Lamby @momoichi commented on debate
May 01, 20 at 2:47am
theyr different from plants because they still have a more advanced nervous system than a plant so theyr higher than plants but less than vertebrates
caleb_williams
well saying that it is essentially a plant at that point though so would you eat it if you knowing the person had no family no friends and did not suffer.
momoichi
Lamby @momoichi commented on debate
May 01, 20 at 2:50am
thats actually a vegan talking point! interesting that we got here ethically is it fine? id say no because i assume thats not what the human would want heres another thought experiment, is it ok to rape a woman thats unconscious and she would never know? we would say no, because WE wouldnt want to be raped, so we extend that consideration onto her personally idc if someone eats my corpse, but the majority of humans probz dont want that
momoichi
Lamby @momoichi commented on debate
May 01, 20 at 2:51am
what about you, caleb? would you eat a braindead person?
caleb_williams
no, because you know for a fact that there can be unforeseen consequences even if the said woman was infertile such as emotional trauma from waking up covered in sperm
caleb_williams
i would you because if a dire enough situation anything becomes food. and in some cultures post mortum cannibalism is honoring the deceased person.
momoichi
Lamby @momoichi commented on debate
May 01, 20 at 2:53am
the guy could have raped her with a condom and she was unconscious long enough that when she woke up she didnt feel anything so she would have no idea it happened this argument is basically to test if someones ethics stem from empathy or a more utilitarian stands the guy gets to have sex and she has no idea it happened so its a net benefit but we still say no because of empathy
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