Political rants

I was beat until age 12. Let us say the traditional roles were reversed. Mother was the rough one, and father was the chill one. Mother had a terrible temper and beat me for making too much noise, and even discounted it in my older brother. True, completely unecessary. But there was a day I made such a fuss under my brother's care that my mother would almost got arrested because of me. That was the worst beating I ever received... at 7yo. And I say it, it was well deserved. I wouldn't believe he would be any kind of a violent father as my mother was a violent mother (verbally and physically), my brother and I are considered true opposites of one the other. @momoichi , I will prepare a reply over the APA study you just sent. Let's see...

@nebelstern sorry about my earlier response, my emotions spiked. I'm sure because you were hit it seems less of an issue, and i should try and understand that perspective before lashing out

https://youtu.be/PSicdnahJ7o My childhood lol And occasional ear pull when getting in fights with siblings cx Belt was reserved for when I fucked up majorly, like when I got caught doing drugs or stealing money (which I agreed with after, and got a beating too)

old dudes using the 'who smelt it dealt it' argument https://i.imgur.com/4FwUDNN.jpg (stolen joke)

Don't worry. It is normal to have emotions spike at certain statements or defenses of propositions. I just try to sound the least dishonest possible with myself.

yeah and on a slight diff note, i think its really important to not identify as a victim of abuse that's why trigger warnings are actually detrimental to victims of abuse, because it reinforces that victim mentality and it stunts their mental growth

To be honest I think part of the reason people raised with corporal punishment might have a hard time finding common ground with people against corporal punishment is due to that idea of "victimhood". Really, it sounds rather condescending to be told you are a victim by someone, especially if that person did not have a similar experience to yours but speaks on it anyways. From what I've seen and experienced, most people who were received appropriate punishment aren't "traumatized" by such things and are functional members of society. It's rather ridiculous to be lumped in with malicious child abusers and neglectors because we don't agree that corporal punishment is totally unreasonable. I think corporal punishment is wrongful when the child lacks an understanding of their punishment or is given disproportional force, and I think most who support it would agree with me on that. o7

@momoichi I read part of it. And most of its bulk is comprised of references to other works. So all I can say is, it is heavily fundamented, I give it that, no buts or howevers. I just suggest you don't use it as a single one-liner source. I found this small detail (that doesn't really invalidate the research at all): "Although research may not capture all of the complexities of family functioning or the factors that influence discipline decisions. [...]" My point is, I believe a parent should be a leader, and strive to bring out as much as possible from their children by communication and impose limits to them. If I would be a father, I want to be a leader to my child, I want to support them with all I have, but for that, I'll need to impose limits. Visible ones, that is. Problem is, most parents want to act like bosses and make their children bring out their potential by themselves, and limit their personal growth for the sake of a future social ascension. This is fruit of unplanned births, and influenced most by what? Sexual revolution. Cowardly men, wanting to secure an easy fuck run away when his partner gets pregnant, fruit of their irresponsibility and beastly behavior. This led into a new generations of single mothers, not ready to take the brunt of responsibility that is bearing and raising a child, thus raising them poorly and desperately. Cultural war aside, you all give me fair points to consider. Although, I really doubt I will have children in the future, so all my points could be moot.