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momoichi
i would say women also have the instinct to protect, especially their children the difference is men have the bodies to protect, so that is the role they take, which isn't a bad thing if that's what the man wants to do personally iv almost punched a bitch for being rude to my bf, so i suppose i might be the exception in this that's actually untrue, kyros, and a common misconception the original state of the family wasn't nuclear, it was that the community helps raise the children, but as the communities have diminished in place of cities, the nuclear family had to become a thing and its true, the nuclear family does work, but i argue that that doesn't mean the man is the leader, a nuclear family is simply a mother and father men naturally take leadership roles because of there personalities, men tend to be more impulsive where as women tend to be more cautious my issue is telling every individual this is how it needs to be, because personally in my own relationship i am the impulsive one and my bf is the cautious one, so I'm the one that leads most adventures so to speak crying is considered feminine and ill tell you why, because when boys do cry their told to 'man up' and 'grow a pair' and are called 'bitches' and 'pussies' literally every phrase to make fun of a 'weak man' is comparing him to a female. every one. and to compare him to a female is for some reason an insult. which is sexist.
kyros96
maybe that has something to do with how often women cry compared to men- and that's where the "sexism" comes from.
kyros96
i'm sure if men would naturally cry more often than women, women would call women that cry a lot "masculine"
cringeyuk
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This whole discussion just be like:
momoichi
im not sure if women cry more than men, like in reality yeah i think so ofcourse but is that because of the toxic masculinity? or is it just women are more emotional? like we don't really know which is the case, unless like you have a study comparing men in freer homes vs men in more traditional homes or something it could be the case, but its just impossible to say because men are oppressed by toxic masculinity and maybe women would call crying 'masculine' i would say it wouldn't be in a mocking manner like how many insults are used toward females for being masculine? i cant think of any off the top of my head like i can for insulting men when women are mocked it tends to be for being rude and mean, with words like bitch and cunt the majority of insults for men are literally just comparing them to women like, sexism is so in our faces with this kinda thing xD
verucassault
https://www.apa.org/monitor/2014/02/cry#:~:text=Biologically%2C%20there%20may%20be%20a,cry%20is%20not%20all%20nature. Gender, culture and tears Several factors play a role in an individual's propensity to cry. Gender differences in crying, for example, have been explored for decades and across the world, and all of the studies reached the same conclusion: Women cry more than men. In the 1980s, biochemist William H. Frey, PhD, found that women cry an average of 5.3 times a month, while men cry an average of 1.3 times per month, with crying defined as anything from moist eyes to full-on sobbing. Those averages still appear to be about the same, suggests newer research, including work by Lauren Bylsma, PhD, of the University of Pittsburgh (Journal of Research in Personality, 2011). Biologically, there may be a reason women cry more than men: Testosterone may inhibit crying, while the hormone prolactin (seen in higher levels in women) may promote it. But a desire to cry is not all nature. A study of people in 35 countries found that the difference between how often men and women cry may be more pronounced in countries that allow greater freedom of expression and social resources, such as Chile, Sweden and the United States. Ghana, Nigeria and Nepal, on the other hand, reported only slightly higher tear rates for women (Cross-Cultural Research, 2011). Lead study author Dianne Van Hemert, PhD, a senior researcher at the Netherlands Organization for Applied Scientific Research, says that people in wealthier countries may cry more because they live in a culture that permits it, while people in poorer countries — who presumably might have more to cry about — don't do so because of cultural norms that frown on emotional expression. Crying may also reflect attachment styles, research suggests. In her book "Seeing Through Tears: Crying and Attachment" (Routledge, 2005), psychotherapist Judith Kay Nelson, PhD, summarizes past research and concludes that securely attached people are more comfortable expressing emotions and cry in ways that are considered normal and healthy, while those with insecure attachment may cry inappropriately — with easily activated, difficult-to-soothe tears. More recently, researchers from Tilburg University have found that people with "dismissive" attachment styles — or those who tend to avoid close relationships with others — were less likely to cry and tried harder to inhibit their tears than people with other attachment styles (Social Behavior and Personality, 2012). The study also found that people with "preoccupied" styles — or those who might be clingy and overly dependent on others — cried more often than securely attached people. Women of all attachment styles cried more than men.
kyros96
if you ask me it is something that evolved with us being either masculine or feminine, as you said before the man has the body to protect. so technically men were more often exposed to pain, like when hunting, climbing, fighting, wars, etc. This probably led to most of them getting used to pain/ not crying out loud when they had lesser injuries. since females were mostly protected they weren't as often exposed to pain, apart from giving birth and small accidents or getting whooped. and i guess that's how all these male strong/female weak started its existence~ that's my best guess on the matter~
momoichi
idk if they really have the body to protect, but for hunting yeah probz i don't know much about why men and women are different, and it really doesn't apply to modern day so i don't care too much but men being made fun of for crying, even as adults and by adults, is why the suicide rate is so high and toxic masculinity is the reason why and toxic masculinity is also what oppresses women as well, and makes being a woman or showing feminine traits as being 'lesser than' its intersectionality, men's issues and womens issues intersect with the same cause, toxic masculinity
kyros96
can't really say so in my case. i wasn't suicidal cuz i wasn't allowed to cry. what would you define as "toxic masculinity" tho? and Ps: what's a breed coomer xD ?
momoichi
true, it doesnt effect every man but it effects enough to lead to suicide being the number one death of men, and that's heart breaking hmm id define it as being you have to be a perfect masculine being. like no crying, no talking about feelings, gotta drink beer and like men things and just be a stereotype and if you arent that stereotype you'll be belittled and mocked until you do here's the google definition 'Toxic masculinity is thus defined by adherence to traditional male gender roles that consequently stigmatize and limit the emotions boys and men may comfortably express while elevating other emotions such as anger.' also i meant bred not breed xD i even spelled it as bread at first lol (running on little sleep xD) so your a thorough bred coomer
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