2020 US Presidential Election

Trump literally said: "the democrats are going to steal this election. We won, they're gonna steal the election". He's delusional however also very smart since he knew his fans would follow him mindlessly. Trump gets an A for swaying his fans but an F for the product and excuse

and on my side the brainwashed fans make me cringe what u gonna do i guess?

Lily is there something within you that doesn't allow you to conceed that there have in fact been arrests made for voter fraud? At this point it's psychological deterence. Maybe avoidance actually.

I understand not wanting something to be true, but to outright deny that arrests have been made for voter fraud, that there is enough evidence all around with the mail in ballots. Maybe there isn't enough fraud to have flipped the ruling of the election, but with a country divided 50/50 where our votes are supposed to drive the goverment, it matters greatly and should be investigated. That is the point Panda, I believe, is making.

So voter fraud happens, sure. But never in a vast systemic amount that significantly changes the outcome to an election and not in an election that’s sure to be as heavily scrutinized as this one. Historically, there just isn’t enough fraudulent ballots being cast that actually affect the outcome. The last notable case I remember of voting fraud was ballot harvesting in North Carolina for mark harris and even then that was like a couple of hundred. This would have to be fraud in the tens even hundreds of thousands in specific key battleground states to change the outcome and I just don’t think any entity could get away with that without someone noticing, especially in this political climate. So I get that there’s fraud but there hasn’t been any evidence of major, systemic outcome fraud. And not for lack of republican trying to find something, anything. So I guess point to both? There’s fraud but Biden still won enough legal votes to be the statistical winner of >270 electoral votes by a fair margin