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Do you like who you are?

sobo275
Aug 03, 20 at 5:50pm
@gabriel_true sweet lightning is the shit!
momoichi
Aug 03, 20 at 5:50pm
it seems more like cognitive disidence to me. to like yourself "deep down" but know your actions are wrong, making the excuse "I'm not my actions" but ultimately you are. there is no net benefit of knowing the morality of your choices if you don't allow that to influence those choices its purely irrelivent at that point, and it feels like your lying to yourself to keep yourself from changing. giving an excuse to allow for your continued laps in judgements @shon i understand that people make mistakes, but mistakes stop being mistakes when they turn into patterns. that becomes your character.
auntron_
@sobo275 Being nice may be a pain sometimes, and it may also leave you with scars, cuts and bruises that make you wonder why you even do it in the first place. But when I look at all of the friends I’ve made, the things I’ve done without expecting anything in return, and the smiles I’ve brought other people, suddenly I don’t feel the pain from my past (^^). I can keep being nice because those people, and all of my experience in helping others, gives me the strength to love this about myself :3. Nice people aren’t weak, we’re in fact the strongest (^^)b.
momoichi
Aug 03, 20 at 5:53pm
but even if you are triggered by something and say something terrible or do something terrible, that is still you that person and those thoughts are things you created so you are still responsible for that action and it is indeed an aspect of your character, even if you regret it this gets into what enter brought up, its filtering our thoughts, or as I like it being referred to as 'reptile brain' those are all you your mistakes are you but the goal is to have the net positive of your actions outway the negative so you can be what society deems as a good person
sobo275
Aug 03, 20 at 5:55pm
I agree, I’ve yet to meet those people though. Everyone irl that I’ve meet just uses me for it or ostracizes me because of it. However I know I can sleep easy at night at least.
swadian
Lamby @momoichi Not at all, people often losses their perception of good and bad when they are enraged. Should they be held accountable for their actions? Sure, though that doesn't ultimately means that person desired to do a bad deed. Remember that people it's kinda unpredictable and difficult to profile, most individuals don't go on our day while measuring good/bad over everything we do. I'll stop.it here because I'm.not interested on dwelling in a rabbit hole
momoichi
Aug 03, 20 at 5:59pm
i disagree when your angry you know what your going to yell out is bad, that's the point. the point is to hurt that person. but your judgement and forethought is clouded by emotion. doesn't mean you think what your saying is good or even neutral. people are irrational, I agree. but some things can be calculated and understood. if you think something is bad, that's a net neutral if you do that bad thing its a net negative
enteear
It is, that's why people do do things they don't want to do. He may well be lying to himself, but the question is "Do you like who you are?" and he said yes and no. So he does like himself. But how much does he do things he knows is wrong? Are they many minor things? are they many major things? He could be lying to himself. But as you say your actions are who you are, and he took the action to say he likes himself. There is a benefit in knowing your morality, if you didn't know you wouldn't be able to change or work towards it. These terms like goal and gaining a net positive isn't something most people think about and so they don't act that way. And there's many times people really don't know why they're angry or sad or any emotion, they know they are that but that's it. Calculating and understanding your actions is great, but many people just don't do that. So if he says he likes himself and also dislikes himself and is visibly happy then I don't see that as bad or a net negative for him. Although, depending on the actions he's taken, if they're bad by everyone's ideals then I'd hope he looks to people to help out with that, to calculate and understand so they can help.
ahuman
Aug 03, 20 at 6:20pm
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momoichi
Aug 03, 20 at 6:20pm
his answer was 'I like who I am but not how I act" and to me this sounds like cognitive disidence, because you are your actions. you do mostly good things, therefore you are a good person. you do mostly bad things, there for you are a bad person. that is how we categorize people most effectively. I'm using him as an example of the statement 'im not my actions' as a whole. i don't know the guy, so this isn't about his character, but more his rational of his overall character. "But as you say your actions are who you are, and he took the action to say he likes himself. There is a benefit in knowing your morality, if you didn't know you wouldn't be able to change or work towards it." that is entirely my point. "These terms like goal and gaining a net positive isn't something most people think about and so they don't act that way." I cant disagree more with this statement. people absolutely know right from wrong, because the majority of people have empathy, and use that as a judge for their interactions with people. when you let someone cut you in line because they in a hurry you know your doing the right thing, and if you say no you know your doing the selfish thing (though selfishness is not a negative trait, its a neutral trait) basic forms of socially right and wrong actions are largely intuitive for people because we're social animals. "Calculating and understanding your actions is great, but many people just don't do that." 'don't' being the key word here. my argument is they should, because they are able to, and doing things like believing deep down your a good person despite your actions showing otherwise is a way to dodge this responsibility. there is no 'deep down'. you act how you want to act ultimately. if you wanted to do the right thing you would have, so its clear you didn't. its socially your responsibly to judge your actions and correct them for the future.
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