Coronavirus. Your thoughts? [Serious and Non-Serious]

When alephy attacks something i say https://youtu.be/sAXZbfLzJUg https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.precisionvaccinations.com/european-agency-confirms-covid-19-vaccine-fatalities%3famp

Yeah, like I said. Complete math illiteracy. You proved my point even further Pandus. People misinterpret data and don’t understand what their reading. People don’t know basic middle school level stats. Let me break it down for you. I’ll use the stats from the article that you posted. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Comirnaty (Pfizer-BioNTech) – “A total of 206,668 cases of suspected side effects. 3,848 of these reported a fatal outcome. About 276 million doses of Comirnaty were given to people in the EU/EEA.” 206,668 per 276,000,000 million is about 0.07488% or 7 about in one hundredth of one percent. 0.07488% chance of possible side effects from Comirnaty (Pfizer-BioNTech) vaccine. 3,848 per 276,000,000 million is about 0.001394% or 1 in one in one thousandth. 0.001394% chance of fatal outcome from Comirnaty (Pfizer-BioNTech) vaccine. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Vaxzevria - (AstraZeneca) – “A total of 152,250 cases of suspected side effects. 938 of these reported a fatal outcome. Around that time, about 58.4 million doses of Vaxzevria had been given to people in the EU/EEA.” 152,250 per 58,400,000 million is about 0.261% or about 1 fifth of one percent. 0.261% chance of possible side effects from Vaxzevria - (AstraZeneca vaccine. 938 per 58,400,000 million is about 0.001606% or about 1 in one in one thousandth of one percent. 0.001606% chance of fatal outcome from Vaxzevria - (AstraZeneca) vaccine. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- SpikeVax (COVID-19 Vaccine Moderna) – “A total of 36,294 cases of suspected side effects with Spikevax were spontaneously reported to EudraVigilance from EU/EEA countries. And 347 of these reported a fatal outcome. Around that time, about 35 million doses of Spikevax had been given to people in the EU/EEA.” 36,294 per 35,000,000 million is about 0.103697% or about 1 tenth of one percent. 0.103697% chance of possible side effects from SpikeVax (COVID-19 Vaccine Moderna) vaccine. 347 per 35,000,000 is about 0.000991% or about or about 1 in one thousandth of one percent. 0.000991% chance of fatal outcome from SpikeVax (COVID-19 Vaccine Moderna) vaccine. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- “COVID-19 Vaccine Janssen - A total of 12,036 suspected side effects with COVID-19 Vaccine Janssen were spontaneously reported to EudraVigilance from EU/EEA countries. And 68 of these reported a fatal outcome. Around that time, about 8.5 million doses of COVID-19 Vaccine Janssen had been given to people in the EU/EE.” 12,036 per 8,500,000 million is about 0.1416% or about 1 tenth of one percent. 0.1416% chance of possible side effects from (COVID-19 Vaccine Janssen) vaccine. 68 per 8,500,000 million is about 0.0008% or about 1 in one thousandth of one percent. 0.0008% chance of fatal outcome from (COVID-19 Vaccine Janssen) vaccine. As I said previously. The odds of someone getting struck by lightning in their lifetime is about 1 in 3000 or a 0.03333% chance. Let’s compare the likelihood of someone getting struck by lighting and the likelihood of a fatal outcome from the Covid vaccine. To be more digestible. I’ll summarize everything in the following table. This is all derived from the stats in the article that you posted. https://i.ani.me/0308/3072/coronavaccine.png

"There are lies, damned lies, and statistics." One does not go dancing into a flat, open field during a lightning storm exclaiming he's more likely to be hit by a car. I'm going to jump to an extreme for a moment to exemplify why those numbers are not useful for the purpose you purport them to be. Lets say there was a drug that offered absolutely no benefits but advertised a low chance of death. No sane person would add to their risk for no reason even if unlikely. The vaccine is not zero benefit, but similarly it's not a forgone conclusion that you both be infected, and that it will be effective. You need to adjust based on the benefit profile to get a meaningful measure of risk. Also, it is immensely easy to mess up statistics. To suggest otherwise is laughable. Every statistics class I've ever taken has been very keen to enlighten students of this. There are plenty of case studies where real-world professionals have utterly mucked it up. It's cute and all to call it middle school stats but dividing two numbers isn't statistics that's just math.

@a1ephy so what is your point here? That people dying is rare? Rare enough that only a couple thousand have died from it so its safe?

You made the percentage seem so miniscule that no one was dying from it at all. All this math shit you think you are doing proves nothing. People still died. Sooooooo what is your point here? Are the lives of thousands nothing at all?

"A total of 206,668 cases of suspected side effects. 3,848 of these reported a fatal outcome" doesnt matter if the pool is over 200 million thats 3,000 people who got the vaccine and died an avoidable death vs not getting vaccine and potentially never getting covid. You have 50/50 chance of getting covid you had a 100% chance to get shot voluntarily. That shot was a 50/50 chance they die, and they did. Vs 50/50 chance they get covid and another 50/50 chance they survive.

Panda, that interpretation of Aleph's statement is grossly disproportionate. Aleph stated legitimate facts and you ignored his data because you have chosen to believe based on faith not math or science that if you personally fear something then no one can argue with you. Your personal reasoning means that no one should get in a car because at some point now or in the future they may die. If one goes to the store to buy over the counter FDA approved pain killers like Tylenol they can die. The debate is what is the greater risk. Data shows that the virus unabated will run rampant without treatment taking more lives than the vaccine's side effects. But everyone who argues against modern medicine is correct. There is no cure and there never will be so this discussion is over. Godspeed and God Bless. You're gonna need it.