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a poem about suicide from bojacks final season, fucking beautiful and encompasses how deep the show is The weak breeze whispers nothing The water screams sublime His feet shift, teeter-totter Deep breath, stand back, it’s time Toes untouch the overpass Soon he’s water bound Eyes locked shut but peek to see The view from halfway down A little wind, a summer sun A river rich and regal A flood of fond endorphins Brings a calm that knows no equal You’re flying now You see things much more clear than from the ground It’s all okay, it would be Were you not now halfway down Thrash to break from gravity What now could slow the drop All I’d give for toes to touch The safety back at top But this is it, the deed is done Silence drowns the sound Before I leaped I should’ve seen The view from halfway down I really should’ve thought about The view from halfway down I wish I could’ve known about The view from halfway down

i think that's fair to cite the difference between happiness and contentment. maybe that's the word i should have used. and fool, i AM high 24/7 haha, maybe that's why i was quick to conflate them. to quote one of my favorite poems/raps "some of us high on life, others use the trees" and coming back to reality, i definitely believe in ethical suicide. if you believe in bodily autonomy then ethical suicide logically follows, no? i'm at the point where it doesn't even matter how unwell someone is, the moment they say they want to tap out, it should ultimately be respected. maybe there should be a conversation there first about the finality of it but it ultimately is a persons right to with their life as they wish. the reason why i say it's not an escape is because of how little we know about what happens after! you might be stuck as freakin star for billions of years and be super dumb ass bored. could be well worse. lowkey sentient life probably is the closest thing to 'heaven' that exists in our reality. "maybe its because i have experience with suicidal ideation that i hold suicide at such a regard, because i know what its like to live in constant pain, and the idea of nothingness is in comparison preferable" i may be optimistic but i hold that exact philosophy very near and dear to my heart. even with my position of immense privilege, including my smartyness, i still have experienced an unreal amount of suffering, especially physical. won't unload that on you unless you ever want to hear =p but absolutely. life can be nothing but torment. just don't be so naive that death is a definite way out of all pain. this pain we feel now yes, but who the fuck knows what nightmare shit is next. existential hell possibly, not christian hell =p you say "finish" but realistically i'd have to start it. i saw a few random episodes when at a friends house a few years ago. and if it comes at that high of a recommendation from a fellow scholar then check it out, i will. and oh my i did get chills at the end of that. like oooooooooof. that's intense

kek i like the quote xD and yeah i think the media tries to convince us that we can be not content, but happy all the time. they flaunt perfection as something that is obtainable as a means to control us, because that's what a capitalism promises, but never delivers on i suppose I'm in favor of rolling the dice on that. if your catholic then killing yourself literally means damnation in the pits of hell, eternal torture, and in that regard living is preferable xD but the odds are the same that death will bring peace, like an unwaking, undreaming sleep i disagree heavily! maybe we can debate this! i think sentients is a curse >W>!! the more sentient the more doomed you are to suffer!! hey I'm always here to listen if you ever want to unload >w>/ venting will never be a bother to me, don't worry. id say if we look to science, which we ought to in this, the vast amount of evidence shows that when we die our neurons die and we die with them i have heard something that is very interesting, that because energy is perpetual and impossible to halt, that as we are made of energy when our body dies out energy continues on, and that is what ghosts are now im an idiot when it comes to physics, so this person could be a complete moron and im a moron for finding his words interesting, but i like to think hes right, and we will live on as ghosts aye when you have free time give it a really try, i might even let you borrow my Netflix >w>/

i think it's the flaunting of that perfection in a wombo-combo with their class/race/cultural divide-and-conquer strategy that is just really bending us over and fucking us. like holy crap people are so ready to believe anything to feel comfy and like they're better than everyone else and "winning". fucking awfullllll and hey i don't subscribe to any abrahamic religion. like it's a risky dice roll, for sure. my pragmatic self believes just that tho, that death is most probably equivalent to infinite sleep. and hey, not only do i like the band sleep, i really really like sleeping and have the privilege to sleep 9 hours every night. also a billion poets have historically equated sleep to death. shakespeare, tupac, and probably a fuck ton of others too haha it's not a curse! it's a poetic/existential miracle that we get to be part of the universe observing itself. like yeah you're doomed to suffering, but think about how you didn't get to think of anything at all before you were born and most probably after ya die! it's fucking neato to get to think about all that doom and gloom, too! and it's nice to know that those bad times will inevitably end. sad to see the good times go, but hey, no more shitty times either! and we can't look to science when discussing unobservable phenomena! like yeah obviously we have to preface any shit we say in these conversations with "probably not true but" even then, life is tooooooooo fucking weird. i wouldnt be surprised if there were ghosties and all sorts of other supernatural unobservable shit out there. i tend to think of their being just a big vat of lifeforce outside of our universe, and when matter changes into something that requires a vital force, it draws from that pool, when that thing dies, it's obliterated and sucked back into that pool. kinda like FF7 with the mako shit! and hahahahahaha don't you dare open yourself up to hearing my venting. i have so much incredibly awful shite to vent about. it's to the point where i feel manipulative talking about it because i'm so capable and resilient, but honestly i really wouldnt mind telling you all about my life! i've been through some SHIT i'll tell you what haha i wanna hear all about your life and the dope and lame shit you've been through too! if that's ever something you feel like you want to discuss. especially all the ways you feel pained and suffering! let me manipulate you into becoming a force of reckless positivity!

and the offer for your netflix is greatly appreciated but i have my sisters account info from when she stayed this past weekend! also get me prepped for the next dnd sesh! i want in ^_^

I am a little n nihilist. Not a big N nihilist. Your level of abstraction is higher than many people on this site. I still think you are dumbing down your language on this site. Let us have a nice talk about nihilism some day. @frozenxheavens

absolutely! if i wasn't gonna pass out in like 10 mins i'd say lets start now. ummm i can get really hifalutin and mathematical with my language but it usually just sounds charismatically stupid. like only the RAREST conversation really calls for the cracked-out-narcissist language. usually weaving in a conversational tone helps out with the "intellectual masturbation" bit we touched on tonight haha