debate

well, as horribly as it sounds, in a vaccume i don't see how raping an unconscious woman is really immoral utilitarianlly i think she will never know so whats the downside? its only when i apply empathy do i think its wrong I also think that people who have congenital genetic defects that have children is extremely selfish and immoral but im an antinatalist in general xD well i cant argue that when you pull your perspective out of earth and think in the grand universal scheme of things yeah the rats death or the humans death are equally meaningless, i think that those kind of points of view are fruitless, nothing but black pill mental masturbation and ultimately useless as there is no way to argue that human lives have any inherit value to the anything outside of our sphere infact the death of humans would actually be a plus to our planet, as you could argue that humans are a literal cancer

To piggyback off of lamby, Animals rape animals, animals kill animals, animals eat animals, animals dont care about age, animals dont care about incest. Humans are the only ones that apply "morals" to a situation where all other creatures ignore what is right or wrong.

i agree with your greater point, but i would argue animals can apply morals to things, depending how you define morals they have regret and empathy, and act on those emotions, which i would say grants a very low threshold of baseline morals

At the end of the day i dont believe animals actually have any moral compass. Monkeys steal things without a second thought, birds the same, dogs hump things without consent and feel no remorse, orcas toy with animals before killing them, animals will murder other animals over territory an imaginary boundary that doesnt actually belong to them.

we have a LOT to talk about now lamby-sensei! i'm very very strongly antinatalist. didn't even know that was the word for it. i just call people stupid breeders =p "black pill mental masturbation" wowwwwwwww attack me much? =p it's not like i don't have those EXACT same thoughts about it. i'm an exhibitionist conversationalist narcissist, so excuse me if i flash my brain 'johnson' and yeah i've had that same last thought too, ppl aren't exactly the dopest to our home! it's sad =[

haha xD yeah i think having a child in this world is insanely selfish, no matter how to chalk it up, especially when there are children out there to adopt after taking care of my 2 yr old nephew i am so glad i will never have to change a diaper against in my life (they are cute though when theyr really happy to see you xD my nephew calls me momo and its adorable) i didnt mean it as a personal attack xD! it was kind of just a way to put how useless that kind of thinking is. its masturbatory. it feels good to give up control over certain things but ultimately it never actually becomes practical i wonder how we can bring this argue to be a debate, because its really hard to debate a nihilist xD @hell_hound7 animals don't have our advance of a moral compass, and most animals don't have even basic ethics, but social animals i believe show enough empathy to qualify for having a baseline morality. you need empathy for social structures to work.

yeah it's just like everything is so crazy and weird like what kind of delusional person does it take to be like "yeah having a kid is the way to go." boggles my mind. and aww that's very very cute! never have changed ppl diapers but have with old/sick pets and that wasn't TOO bad so i'm sure a baby would be chiller, especially given that they're full of life and growth and not death and decay. and i know i know, i was teasing you, mainly because i have felt that exact same way about my line of thinking. like is it REALLY necessary to get that privileged and existential? absolutely not. is it fun as heck? yeahhhh buddy haha. it definitely is akin to jerkin off the ol noggin. i feel like i've even used that analogy before in conversations about it. and yeah i'm tried and true optimistic nihilist. i feel doomed, but i also want to have fun! hmm lets just say let it be known that i'm aware of the arbitrary and pointless nature of everything, and that anything i say henceforth comes from a normative and pragmatic standpoint. so the real question is where does that leave us? i integrate my entitled nihilist shit into almost all my thoughts and actions so it may be kinda hard to unweave it to have a pragmatic discussion. but i want to try!

nihilism does come in handy, like when i first got on an airplane i just told me self 'if i die i die, and i cant help that' and it was oddly calming xD i believe in the montra that if you cant change something, don't try it. it will only turn you into sisyphus but I'm rather pessimistic about my nihilism. i think happiness is a fleeting emotion that society has manipulated you into thinking it can be a constant, as a way of using it as a carrot on the stick that causes you to lose your peripheral vision and simple trail forward on the treadmill that powers modern society the only true way out of this is to kill yourself or go off the grid, nothing we alone can do to stop it and the powers above have us so purposefully divided there is no way we will ever unite and topple this system that benefits from the suffering of the masses to line the pockets of the elite but i suppose by my own logic because i am powerless in this unchecked capitalist system i might as well enjoy it as much as i can and consume as much as i can to jog down that treadmill and maybe, finally, catch that carrot tl;dr I'm a mrpeanutbutter basically https://media0.giphy.com/media/xThuW6sWCGbpZMpX7a/source.gif

ughhhh i wanna teach you about being a recklessly confident and entitled white boy and how you can just like ignore reality in the face of a deluded sense of grandeur and all this other shite haha. not that i've tried to overthrow all the world's oppressive governments and cultures, but i have attempted a lot of seemingly impossible tasks and succeeded. WELL too many times. i'll roll that damn boulder up the hill all day every day if i see it roll down different one time. i definitely am not the most rational/sane person you've met. trust haha i think that while every emotion is fleeting, happiness is something that is 24/7 attainable. if you have genuine love for life and the reality you find yourself in, even things that invoke negativity and pain would be nice, as it's a reminder that you're here getting to observe the universe! not to mention a finite life and bad/shitty times make those good times THAT much more epic and valuable. and i think that's naive to say kys or off the grid is escaping. i would say the lack of scientific information of what happens to consciousness post-death leaves room for interpretation outside of "nothing." i'm a very spiritual person, but that doesn't mean i think the ego isn't obliterated the moment one dies. i think there's probably some unobservable lifeforce pool that shit draws from and gets pooped out from, outside of our dimension/realm of perception. also going off the grid is a no no because like, ya know, a determined enough rich person could find you or kill you, ultimately. especially if you're here on the planet still. and yo never say never. if smart and wholesome people like us ever did want to mount a counter-indoctrination campaign to unite all kind-hearted people...it might work haha. just understand the moment you commit to that you become a target. successful street preachers have a family history of getting shot in the head. definitely as a non ultra-elite cis het white man, we face ridiculously oppressive capitalist adversity. it's very overwhelming, even to me, who is isn't super rich or super straight, but is every other form of privileged. but my spirit isn't broken yet! and yusss it's fun playing along with this RP sometimes, not always, not usually, but SOMETIMES the dopamine releases from unethical consumption under capitalism are p nice to experience, for sure! especially fucking dark or profound art from smart and cracked out people! and honestly i've seen like 3 episodes of bojack. i'm really hit or miss with western animation. used to really love south park and simpsons way back when, but really was never in the family guy/american dad vibe. but if what do i know haha. i'm just an abyssal lich lord who fell from grace with moral society. maybe i should give it a shot =p

i do enjoy my own privlege when it comes to police as a small white woman xD but that's about it i think contentment is optainable as a constant, happiness will never be because of how our brain works. happiness is a reward our brain gives us, wed have to be high to get it 24/7, and even then drugs that do do that end up burning out our serotonin receptors. i disagree here, i believe very much in ethical suicide. if someone is suffering from an intese ptsd to the point they cant properly function and they exhausted every resource to help cope with that then i do think suicide is an option they should consider. i think suicide is a neutral, the ultimate grey area. it is not immoral nor moral to take your own life. and when it comes to escaping the labrynth of unpredictability of life i do think suicide is the only option to escape said maze. its like when soldiers would kill themselves before the enemy could, its a way of gaining control in an uncontrollable situation, except this situation is your entire life. maybe its because i have experience with suicidal ideation that i hold suicide at such a regard, because i know what its like to live in constant pain, and the idea of nothingness is in comparison preferable. i think this is the realistic perspective, where as yours seems optimistic. DUDE FINISH BOJACK ITS SO GOOD, THE END OF THE SEASON IS ENOUGH TO HOOK YOU, AND SEASON TWO GETS EVEN BETTER its the perfect show for people interested in philosophy, because each character has their own idea on how to live life, and its portrayed without being in your face bojack is soooo goooood please give it another try if you can, its so fucking deep, its only a comedy on the surface. https://i.imgur.com/UWSyeax.gif