Astral Projection thought experiment
Koyomi Araragi @loli_vampire
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Astral Projection thought experiment
Koyomi Araragi @loli_vampire
So I've been researching astral projection for a long time on and off. I haven't been able to do it yet so I can't correlate personal experience with other peoples yet.
The topic of possession (of someone else's body, maybe permanently) while Astrally Projecting invariably comes up. I believe the currently accepted theory is that people are multi-layered in that they have a physical body, an etheric body and an astral body. (maybe more?) And that the astral body travels during astral projection but the etheric and physical bodies stay put.
The theory is that only in death is the etheric body allowed to leave the physical body as it's essential to maintaining life. With the etheric body in place nobody (or no entity) could take permanent possession of a body.
So getting the physicality of current theory of thought out of the way, It would obviously be immoral to forcibly take a body if you could. However the conditions seem to require actual death and as brain damage starts to occur after several minutes without oxygen, there may be something like a 10 minute window at room temperature (maybe much more if the body is chilled and vitals are much slowed.)
So let's say you could take over a body of someone who just died and is in the process of being resuscitated by someone and said body is not otherwise seriously damaged and you killed your original body simultaneously to release your etheric body to reside in the new body. The question still remains about whether your memories from your old body would be transferred to the new body. Or would you see double vision of both sets of memories or forget your old memories altogether and think you are the person of the body you took over, after it was resuscitated?
So thought experiment, how to auto-reincarnate into a chosen body without violating morality of forcibly taking a body and maintain stream of conscience and memories?
You can clone a body of your choosing if you had the resources but it can be presumed that any living body has a soul and so the morality issue remains.
Many-titled Neko @mrnekotamer
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Koyomi Araragi @loli_vampire
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I have no idea for sure not having experienced it myself but many thousands or more people would disagree with you King Neko. Many people astrally project regularly. You can find many discussions on related forums. They can relate events in real time. Look up "remote viewing" for example. Although the government project claims show very little results.
Regardless, I'm still interested in the end product of transferring myself to a new body.
Koyomi Araragi @loli_vampire
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I've actually had private conversations with 2 long term respected members here about their astral projection experiences but I'm not going to say who out of respect for privacy. They can comment if they wish.
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I might have to ask, what is your theory or how do you explain that the person is horribly conscious during the whole OBE experience? Why does it differ about how we see, experience dreams?
@King, I think you need to do a bit more of investigation on the topic. There are several ways to logically explain this phenomenom without trying to deny it because people that live it know that it is real. Is not like some sort of mental problem, hallucination, etc. It is exactly how it is described. I would give you a lot of my thoughts about it, being a person that's experienced it myself, also a pretty logical person too, but it seems to be a waste of time if I don't know or I'm not sure to what extend your knowledge on this matter extends to. So I'd like you to elaborate more what do you think OBE is exactly like? How do you think it feels if you ever experienced it? What do you think people exactly see or do during it? Etc. Because you seem to lack that.
Chocopyro @chocopyro
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I do a lot of energy work in lines of psychic self defense (Lol, that sounds cooler than what it actually entails), and as crazy as it sounds, I think we frequently yet subtlety shift into other realities quite often. You could research the Mandela effect to catch what I'm referring to, but keep in mind, that hasn't been proven yet. But I'm pretty sure, the majority of your memories will disappear after shifting from one body to the other completely different body. You would inherent that new body's residual memories. Considering all analytical of data is stored in the brain and all. That said, a lot of EMOTIONAL memories tend to stay with the astral body, which is why you tend to get those kids who seem to be able to accurately describe past life memories. (And thank god, people are finally starting to document those cases, I had no idea it was so common.) My own personal theory is that the effect of remembering these "astral memories" if you will, after attempting to change forms, time travel, or merely shifting realities, is akin to something like deja vu. Not exactly that, mind you, I've had a lot of deja vu cases as a kid, and what I have been experiencing lately is not quite the same thing. Especially when I can call out something that I could of sworn happened a week ago, only to have it happen just like that a week later. Take my advice. Its a head ache. You're better off not trying to piece together a turbulent reality. Just go with the flow and don't obsess about it. Lest you really will end up in a mental asylum.
Also, one factor you forgot to mention in regards with possession is consent. In the most extreme cases of demonic possession (Something that's actually only real in about less than 1% of possession scenarios, and yes, there are very clear signs between demonic possession, and mental illness.), that "Consent" comes in the form of surrender. A channeler can also allow an entity to take temporary control over the body through consent.
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