Sex while dating?

Yeah I feel ya there, I hope you don't get discouraged there are people that do share the same views as you they're just harder to search out! Good luck and never change because someone pressures you to! <3

Oh, I won't change on that aspect. I know there are people like that around there, I've met a few of them....just didn't work out.

I hope you guys don't harbor any resent in this topic, there is no right answer and no winner. Most people who choose abstenence are primarily influenced by abuse or religious/ethical grounds. I believe you are from the latter Phanari, and since there is no right or wrong choice it does no good to argue with Ikkou. While there is no 100% garaunteed birth control, there are very good methods available and both partners can get simple blood tests to check for STDs. With respect to Phanari, while Ikkou may have been too aggressive and worded it poorly, a primal connection to sex is not hogwash. Men, and even women, have a biological need to mate. Women have a biological clock that increases a desire to have children as they get older and men are in a state of "hunting" if you will. Ever wonder why a guy walking with his girlfriend will take a quick glace at a cute girl walking past? It's his male instinct sizing up a potential mate. Is he a jerk? No, even women do it (most ppl dont even realize they do it) at least 5 times a day. Why do guys like big breasts? It shows the mother will nurse a child easier. As human beings our brain makes up capable of choosing to wait for marriage. Choosing this lifestyle is great, but being respectful to people who choose to have a healthy sexual relationship is just as important.

I wasn't really arguing with anyone as much as I was displaying my principals and self-respect. You make this sound so in-personal. Sex is a gift. And as such, should be treated special between you and your spouse. And I'm not being disrespectful by asking a simple question. Not my fault I got attacked.

STDs are serious and that is why you use a condom. However I feel like your spouting off a lot of your religious fundamentals at us with your birth control pills are not 100% effective, abstinence, blah blah blah. Birth control is more then effective when used properly, and that means you can't just miss a day. But birth control isn't the holy grail and never will be. Because even though it does pretty much kill off all your eggs STDs aren't bias. Latex Condoms that are lubricated are 99.9% effective. You'd literally have to use one that is expired or has had a hole poked in it for it to break on you. Sex isn't about pleasure either it's about becoming closer with the one you love. For the right people it's not about "let's fuck and get over each other". So please next time you come into a place and start blowing off shit about stuff like this you really should look outside your box. Don't be rude anymore you're in a place of common ground and sex should only be between two people and not influenced by the rest of the world. I'm hoping this thread is removed because your sheer rudeness is offensive.

Honey. I understand where you're coming from. I used to, and to a great extent still do, feel that way. Sadly I made the mistake (to me it was) of not waiting until I was married. I love my son more than life don't get me wrong but I understand. It's an archaic (sadly) belief but it's one that needs a champion, not to shove the belief down anyone's throat, and I'm not saying you were doing that mind you, but someone to uphold it. Even though I can no longer give whomever I end up with my virginity (well I couldn't anyways due to extenuating circumstances of childhood) I have retaken my chastity vows. SO champion on my dear.

Sex is not a gift. A gift is something you can give to anyone, even a stranger out of good will. Sex is an expression of love and desire. And to be fair when you draw relationships between pre-marital sex and early divorce/getting STDS, you are asking for an argument. There is no, and I mean absolutely NO link between having sex before marriage and getting divorced. That happens when people get hitched too early and jump into things in stages of life where they are not ready. Most of these people have hesitations and second guess themselves even while still engaged. Springers final moment: Getting married isnt the end all to happiness. You can lead a fulfilling life with a person you love, have sex, have children and live happily ever after. And if you come from a religion or moral background that finds that distastful, you have to have the courage to accept that not everyone is the same.

Actually, birth control is not 100% effective. I know that for a fact. My sister in law was using condoms AND the Pill at the same time and yet she still got pregnant. They mmiscarried, but that's life. And I'm not shoving this down anyone throat by asking a simple question. How was I to know I'd be attacked? I'm just defending my principals. And I'm sorry about your childhood, but if it's what I'm thinking, just know that that can NEVER be your fault. Being a willing virgin is always different from being a physical virgin. By saying sex is a gift, I'm refering to a different kind of gift. The gift you would obviously never understand, which is terribly tragic.

<b>Guys, let's bring it down a notch.</b><br /> <br /> Remember to take a calm, thoughtful approach to your postings, and take even more care not to attack or insult anyone else. You can <b>argue against ideas, not against people</b>.<br /> <br /> A lot of people have very different views on sex and marriage, and it's sometimes difficult to compare these ideas. Although I believe that sex is simply something that can bring two people closer together, even I can't bring myself to understand why some people believe anything else. But I try to be mindful of what they believe, even if I want to convince them otherwise.

Sephiroth is right, we shouldn't be attacking each other as much as discussing. That WAS the whole point of this thread in the first place, after all.