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can not confirm nor deny unless I see proof that all factory farms operate on each and every animal they grow...but if you ask do animals that undergo pain during operations in farms exist? yeah that is a definite possibility....

@momoichi Yeah I can agree with those terms. If I feel u don't have sufficient evidence or that u lied, I will point it out. But you have to acknowledge that we might stop the debate without an agreement if we end up providing no new points and only give redundant arguments.

tyson is the biggest meat farm, and they are notorious for their terrible conditions https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bNY4Fjsdft4&has_verified=1 they also are what you eat when you eat fast food. the things you see are routine. chickens that are bred so fat they legs break under them. mother pigs that can't stand because of the cramped quarters. baby picks having their testicals cut off. pigs that are beaten and shocked on the line so that they have to keep moving, because they obviously are too scared to otherwise. pigs that jump off trunks because they scared. chickens that cling to cages in trucks and the workers just rip them off, sometimes ripping off feet. chickens are killed by simply slitting their throat and hanging them upside down to bleed. sometimes bolt guns dont go off right because they riusted and they jam and have to be used twice. forgot to add, baby male chicks are thrown into meat grinders while alive. that's how you get your nuggets have you ever seen the inside of a slaughter house or factory farm? can you honestly say you think these animals are content?

yeah sure i agree to that, hopefully we can keep it formal and just bow out at the end so what premise do you wish to debate veganism from?

well I think the real problem here is to implement rules and laws on improving the conditions...if there are rules and laws dont think they will be treated that badly...and there is no evidence saying that those were routine and common actionsfollowed by them and other farms out there....dont think cutting down the whole tree jus cause of one bad apple is the right option here ^^