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hell_hound7
You cannot point the finger elsewhere and simply say what about those people. This is the top priority because its the most damaging in society. Unfortunately solving murders isnt as simple as showing up to the scene and stopping it. You can actually affect the LGBT stuff. I cant stop a war, i cant stop one group of people who hate me and what i believe such as terrorists from wanting me dead. But i can stop the spread of people pushing this onto children and in society. Do you realize how much the LGBT community has hurt people? Sure it may be unloving to not accept you as you are. But think of all the people who have turned their backs on you since coming out? Do you see how damaging that is? If not you then think of the 12 or 13 year old going through bullying because of it. These things are damaging. Its not hatred to want people to fix themselves and get help. If you are unhappy with yourself now going trans wont fix it. You will always feel empty and when you fully commit and realize it didnt fix the issue within yourself what will you do? The bible says these things for a reason. Its the destruction of man, all these things happening. Once you give people an inch they will take a mile. The things following LGBT is much worse. It will be pedophilia next. People can cry no it wont. But we said the same about gay marriage. Look at society today. I cannot imagine what you are going through bit God does so turn to God and you will be happy. Trust me.
secretagentboi
@alephy how is me saying that God doesn't involve himself with humans weaseling out of the question? Did you not ask to get answers from people? Or did you ask to try and act smart with a general definition of what God is when the definition changes based on the religion you follow so it isn't always necessarily a creator. you asked and I answered what I believed. And it doesn't matter to me much if they're an imposter or not if they broke the core things I believe in I would rather burn in whatever version of hell exists if it exists rather than follow them they may as well be dead to me so it still wouldn't be MY god even if they were originally. I don't follow organized religion because they obligate you to follow every command. You also can't define my version of god since again I don't follow a formal religion so I can change it whenever and you can't stop me that's the beauty of free will loser and since it doesn't seem like you believe in God you can't assign me your definition either since you don't have one
secretagentboi
Like for example none of the Greek gods created the world since they came from chaos nowadays they're considered mythology but at one point it was a religion and their belief of what a god was is vastly different than the definition you gave
hell_hound7
Everyone in hell believes in God. All the demons believe in God. Everyone believes in God in the afterlife. Also if you dictate your own beliefs and create your own rules, you become your own God. You determine whats right and wrong. If the God of Christianity or any religion says dont do this then you say i can cuz my own God allows it. How is that any different than you being God? You are the most Supreme being in your life. Being tied to no religion means there are no rule to live by. If you live by Christianity standards but are not Christian because they do things you dont like you basically created a world in which yoi decide whats right and wrong. But dont come for me lol i also did the same thing but now im here so thats saying something.
chise8686
God’s love for mankind, as described in the Bible, is clearly unconditional in that His love is expressed toward the objects of His love despite their disposition toward Him. In other words, God loves without placing any conditions on the loved ones; He loves because it is His nature to love (1 John 4:8). That love moves Him toward benevolent action: “He causes his sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous” (Matthew 5:45). Does God love everyone? Yes, He shows mercy and kindness to all. In that sense His love is unconditional. Does God love Christians in a different way than He loves non-Christians? Yes. Because believers have exercised faith in God’s Son, they are saved. The unconditional, merciful love God has for everyone should bring us to faith, receiving with gratefulness the conditional, covenant love He grants those who receive Jesus as their Savior.
secretagentboi
@hell_hound7 Yeah I mean obviously I would be forced to acknowledge their existence I meant more like I would refuse to accept them as my God even if they are technically God I can't respect someone who doesn't stand by what they believe in and in the unlikely scenario that Aleph proposed where God out of nowhere decides to completely change their values I would lose all respect for them let alone be able to follow them aleph said God is supposed to be perfect and all powerful and I agree but that also depends on the eye of the beholder since apparently for aleph being perfect means flip flopping your core beliefs while for me I think someone who doesn't carelessly make decisions and stands by their core values until they're proven wrong with evidence is perfect so for them to betray that would effect my view on them pretty drastically almost like when a close friend stabs you in the back just worse since it would completely restructure my belief system
hell_hound7
@chise8686 I think God loves everyone equally, non-christians and Christians. I saw one of my close friends nearly die by a few inches and he doesnt believe in God. He could have literally been ended right then and there yet God imo saved him. I think God loves all his creations. Maybe in the earlier renditions of the bible he was more stern with people who werent following his word. But yeah. @secretagentboi I mean yeah, i honestly dont even know what aleph is saying these days he is trying pretty hard to get gotcha moments on people. But yeah God of the bible and Christianity never went back on his promises. Even with his covenants and such. He delivered people from enslavement he allowed them to become great nations. God delivers on his promises and sticks with his decisions.
chise8686
GOD is Generator, Operator, and Destroyer. Hinduism is considered to be the oldest religion. In Hinduism, Lord Brahma is described as the Generator, Lord Vishnu as the Operator, and Lord Shiva as the Destroyer.
alephy
Jul 25, 23 at 2:56pm
@secretagentboi I don’t think you understand how hypotheticals work. What if I came up with a hypothetical that we discovered that MLK was secretly racist and his basement was full of murdered white people. I then asked the populace what they thought of MLK? The Secretboi argument would say. By definition, MLK was not racist, so it’s not true that MLK was secretly racist. Yeah, that’s why it’s a hypothetical. What if we discovered that we had 10,000 hours worth of tape where MLK said how much he hated the Jews. The Secretboi argument would say. By definition, no such tapes exist. You can’t apply your definition of MLK onto me. Yeah, your wright. Those tapes don’t exist. Yeah, MLK wasn’t racist. That’s why it’s a hypothetical scenario. Would the hypothetical slightly change your perception of MLK? Would that highly change your perception of MLK? Or no change at all? But, but, but, by definition, MLK wasn’t racist. Do you not want to engage in hypotheticals or do you simply not understand how hypotheticals work? Here's another hypothetical scenario. Let’s say aliens came down to earth and started zapping human beings. I then asked some hippie loving alien believer what they would do under that hypothetical circumstance. Imagine they gave me the secretboi logic. By my definition. Aliens are good and wouldn’t be zapping people. Well, no shit. That’s why it’s a hypothetical scenario. It’s not meant to be real. Let me get this straight. You can only apply hypothetical scenarios if it meets your definition of reality. If it doesn’t meet your definition of reality, then you can’t apply a hypothetical scenario? Yeah no, that’s not hypotheticals work. Hypotheticals are meant to make you think outside of your own box. If you can’t engage with hypotheticals. Then quite frankly you aren’t thinking critically about your own belief system. One can only form hypothetical scenarios if it conforms to your beliefs only? Yeah, no. What if I asked a Christian? What if God himself came down from heaven and started raping lil kids? Would you still be a follower of your Christian God? If the Christian applied the Secretboi argument. Well by my definition. My God is good, so my Christian God wouldn’t do that. Well, no shit. That’s not the questions asked. The question isn’t whether God would do X? The question is what if God did X? That’s why it’s a hypothetical question. Hypotheticals are meant to test the limits of your belief system. Hypotheticals are meant to test what you would do under certain conditions. If people can’t engage in hypotheticals because it doesn’t meet their definition of reality. It simply means that they know that they hold weak arguments. It means that their arguing in bad faith. One last hypothetical. Imagine if God came down and said that Catholicism was %100 right. Then Pandus applied the secretboi logic. By my definition, my God is not the catholic God. Ok, but what if the real God was the catholic God? Would that change your belief? Well, my God is not the catholic God. Aha? You don’t say? That’s not the question. The question isn’t whether your definition of God is correct. The question is what if the real God was different to what you believed God is. What would you do then? But alas some people can’t engage with simple hypotheticals. It seems like hypotheticals completely fry peoples’ brain.
alephy
Jul 25, 23 at 2:58pm
This is what I call an absolute evisceration. Oof https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AUVDrpVUy2E
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