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echo_coil
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aCjyqziVSMA If your a socialist, you should consider looking a deep analysis of your own. These are the guys who fight for your side. The only one I've seen who actual cares, and unmaliciously interprets your cause. Is Destiny and he is considered a out cast by these very people. They only see the movement as a power move, and for profit unironically.
chocopyro
Nov 13, 21 at 8:49pm
@echo_coil Wait uh... Who are Vaush and Destiny? Wait, Destiny is the guy who owns alt right propagandists and neo nazis, right? Good on him. Didn't know he was socialist. But I try to stick to people who are more policy driven. Also, are you new to the left, because questioning our own 'authorities' and information sources are just something we do regularly.
echo_coil
Nah man, Destiny is a actual socialist. He debates frequently with people like Sargon. Which mind you Sargon is a pro Capitalist. Destiny is called alt right, but it's really weird to say that. When he literally funds socialist campaigns with his sweet sweet twitch money. Not something you see in many circles my bud. I never seen a actual "alt right neo nazis", just people screaming about it or when they wanna discredit someone's work. My political standing is common sense.
echo_coil
@chocopyro Open your mind to my favorite "Comedy Show"; Sitch and Adam! Very based fellows, love them. Adam can have tismy takes on voting age registrations, and Sitch is a former "Star Wars prequels are worse then the sequels" kind of guy. But that is the only awful takes they have in total honesty. Other then that, they can really balance the political stuff incredibly well. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sze7lbq60Ao
chocopyro
Nov 14, 21 at 9:03am
@echo_coil If you don't see them, I'd be happy to point them out to you. I have family in the klan, and can dissect their dog whistles pretty well. It can be hard to parse them from actual conservatives for the uninformed, and that's by design. Needless to say, their ideas aren't exactly popular to anyone. But if they could get moderate conservatives to sound like them, it makes them able to blend in better, and it makes their beliefs more assessable to the mainstream. Could explain why you don't see them. I think I remember Sargon as the guy who can't cite a study to save his life. Just kind of wrote him off after that point. He isn't alt right himself, but they do use him as a gateway by recruiting from his anti-SJW stuff audience. Pff, how dare Destiny try to fund clearing the snow off our roads and fire departments trying to control wildfires in California! Goin around opening homeless shelters and trying to buff up welfare for the people who live at my income level. Inexcusable! Grumble grumble grumble. (Seriously, we're a mixed economy. Socialism doesn't scare me.) If a socialist wants to be a millionaire, that just means he's okay with getting taxed more, which is going to help alleviate the burden on the middle class. I wish more billionaires were socialist. After all, for capitalism to work, money can't stagnate. Meanwhile you have Billionaires who just hide their money offshores every time tax season comes up. Excuse the rant, this late into NNN, I turn into an anarchist. Normally I sit around libertarian leftist. Anyways, interesting vid. Reminds me of Abe Lincoln's Top Hat. A political podcast from Ben Kissle at Fox News (who they keep trying to introduce as a liberal consultant, when he's actually libertarian.) He gets on with another independent and often shares some hit or miss jokes, but his ability to stay informed and maintain a fair and balanced opinion is refreshing this day in age. Now let me show you three channels from my side of the fence. I watch this guy who's an anarchist that is generally spot on when it comes to making political predictions. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Re2-E1cyEwg&t I watch this guy because he's a moderate iraq war vet who's very well informed on various topics. He is very knowledgeable in history and sociology, and often looks at and dissects astroturfed movements like the Teaparty and antivax movements, as well as a lot of societal problems. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CDrJo8d45gc And I watch this guy when it comes to policy, because despite being on the left, he holds both parties accountable. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ylT0H5delW4 And more than any of these people, I prefer to watch actual experts in the fields when it comes to forming an opinion on a trending topic. The thing about these three channels is they usually have done that work as well.
echo_coil
@chocopyro Hold on mate, your being a hypocrite there. Your saying as long as a socialist is rich, it doesn't matter if they follow their ideals. Then what makes em different then taxing someone that isn't a socialist? I'm taking the time to see you rhetoric, but I know flagging things that conflict your ideologies alt right is going to hurt you in the long run. We cast down pastures from churches, cause they don't follow the word of the bible. Why not cast down socialists who don't follow their own social bible. I love ya, but saying people are "actual experts" is a bad faith argumentation. You want change now, but throwing people under the bus who doesn't share your ideals is not a great start. Plus no offense, but their is a clear bias coming from klans men history. Your intense fear of the "klan", will cloud your judgment and stump people you assume might be without doing your research. I think you should consider motivating your idols to begin CO-OPS, rather then devaluating my argumentations.
chocopyro
Nov 14, 21 at 10:59am
Woah, sorry, must've hit a chord there. Listen, I'm a believer in both socialism and capitalism. Both are playing with fire, but both can accomplish some great things with them if you know what you're doing in the kitchen. Now sweeping generalizations and analogies aside (Sorry, I'm Appalachian, I use them a lot as a means of relating to people), most of the developed countries in the world are mixed economies. Even Denmark, the poster child for modern socialism has income brackets. The united states is no exception. Therefore, unlike a communist, I believe a socialist can still accrue wealth and play the capitalist game. The only thing that changes is where he or she believes that the GOVERNMNENT should allocate its money. Not the individual. A socialist is just more inclined to pay their fair share. Since we pay taxes in incremental brackets, a socialist billionaire WOULD be more likely to pay more in taxes than the average people. At the end of the day, I don't care whether a billionaire is socialist or capitalist. JUST AS LONG AS THEY'RE NOT EXPLOITING TAX LOOPHOLES! On the topic of actual experts, allow me to clarify. Here's an actual expert qualified in her area of study teaching a college lecture on the oppression of rural whites in the country. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_cPII2l-K4s Regarding the Klan. You fear what you don't fully understand. I understand these people. If one of them started trying to explain what the video just did, it would be distorted with all kinds of ugly beliefs. But to me, they're family. And I don't fear them. And honestly, I am suffering from rather severe depression after the loss of my twin brother, so quite frankly, I don't care if I die in the next five minutes. I've run out of that kind of willpower. Thank god my self preservation instinct remains, so suicide isn't an option my mind has taken into account. But hey. If a guy points an AR in my face, I may just try to subdue them bare handed. What happens happens. I neither call that courage nor fear. It's nihilism. So yes, I have my biases, but I sure know how they distort information using branding tactics.
chocopyro
Nov 14, 21 at 11:03am
I gotta head out now. Later.
echo_coil
I believe the whole taxing less a "philosophy issue" and more of a "law structuring issue". After all you said yourself it's a loop hole. You can't loop hole a solid contract. I'm more for the people doing what they preach topic. Plus I love talking about these sort of things, I'll hold that particular what-about-isms for another time. We just both agree that people should do what they say. Rather then not doing it at all, or even worse contradicting their ideologies. Imagine you say, a "socialist" didn't pay his taxes. Would you wish for him to still represent you. Same goes with a "capitalist". Would you respect a "capitalist" that pay his taxes? Which they should cause a influx growing economy is the "capitalist" philosophy. Sargon started a business, and gave jobs to people with a capitalist structure. It be really weird if he just horde all that money, and still say people should start more "business ventures". There is something beautiful about that kind of integrity, and we should inspire more of your idols to do the same.
mrkingofspades
The serious problem with socialism, especially in the U.S. is that our government is presiding over where the wealth gets distributed. In a country that focuses too heavily on bipartisan participation in government, which there is a wider gap between the parties now than in previous years, where the wealth gets distributed is going to cause major conflicts. Also, the idea of taxing the rich higher rates is great and all, but it doesn't go into detail and nuance about how tax systems work. There are avenues that wealthy people have taken for years to take less tax burdens, and these avenues will still exist in a socialist economy. One thing we need to realize is that the rich have the resources (can hire experts to find loopholes) to lower their tax rates. This involves putting money into corporations, real estate, or other assets that cannot be taxed as heavily. So, while the idea of taxing the rich so heavily is a very utopic theory, it's not necessarily the case. In socialist economies, the rich often are the ones in power. In socialist economies, the government is supposed to treat everyone as equal, and the wealth is supposed to be distributed equally. It's been hammered into our heads many times that this is a ridiculous idea because it is. This does not benefit the middle class like you believe it does, it benefits the lowest class in society. The middle class will still have to work, only to have more money taken from them to keep the lowest class afloat. We're seeing aspects of this now, with a large amount of people on unemployment and more and more people leaving their jobs. Why work when you can collect $1,000 plus a month in unemployment while workers salaries are paying for you to do nothing? Now, again, this a good idea in theory, the freedom of time and money can maybe motivate you to spend it wisely and make something of yourself, but where's the motivation to do so when if you 'make something of yourself, you have to work and join the suffering middle class? Socialism also means that the government manages the means of production, and resource distribution. This sounds great and all too, but is prone to corruption. It's not secret that big organizations are in the pockets of many politicians, and this wouldn't change under a socialist economy. The problem here is that the government that is under the thumbs of these big organizations will be the ones deciding where all the goods are allocated. We've seen this play out during 2020 and even now where small businesses are being destroyed partly because of the lack of distribution, whereas companies like Amazon and Walmart and such, can more easily get their hands on goods. This is the problem with a socialist economy and our current government, is that the government is already showing signs of allocating resources to the big corporations and leaving little to the little guys. Personally, this is one of my biggest gripes with a socialist economy. Distributors should be the ones handling their own products and the government should have no hand in telling producers and distributors what they should be doing. Our government, both sides mind you, are incredibly incompetent and unreliable with these things. Another major problem I have with the U.S. pushing towards becoming more socialist is where the wealth is being allocated. Our money goes to free public education and to things like welfare and social security, but these are broken systems in their current state. Simply allocating money to it is pushing the problem further down the line instead of reforming these systems. That's a huge issue. The U.S. public education system is a mess right now, actually our education in general whether public or private is not where it should be. My problem with this is that we are just going to end up pumping money into broken systems without looking for repairs. This is also a problem with Capitalism, mind you, and I'm not blind to the issues of capitalism either. Capitalism definitely hasn't benefitted the middle class as much as it claims, it keeps the workers as workers and not much more. Workers are like the builder ants in a colony, in terms of being a worker in capitalism. Now, I do think that socialism can work here in the U.S., even alongside capitalism, but for me, there needs to be major changes in our government, education systems, and a lot of other things related to government and society at large. Before pumping money into broken systems, they need to be reworked and repaired, or else we're going to just push the problems down the line. So far, I haven't seen either branch of government do anything other than argue about which side has the bigger pair (there are a few people in politics, in both parties that I think have pushed for positive changes). I never see them actually come together and try to iron out the issues, so I don't trust the current state of our government and society to make steps towards the necessary changes to make things work. I think there needs to be checks and balances put in place to keep big corporations out of the pockets of politicians to make socialism work more efficiently, but I also don't trust that to change. Hell, it hasn't changed under our current capitalistic state. I think states and local government still need to hold higher power than a federal government deciding everything for the masses. So, I'll say in closing that my issue is not with socialism and it's ideas, it's mainly the execution. I think it could work with proper changes in place, but I also don't trust the government enough to push for the proper changes to be made. I fear for the current state of the U.S. becoming a socialist economy, but that doesn't mean I lack fear of the way it is now in our current capitalistic society. Regardless of how we progress, I think a lot of things need to change in our government and society. I'm not so hopeful that it will, unfortunately.
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