debate

i SAID abortion is murder IN MY VIEW BECAUSE abortion is nuanced when does life start? what does no abortions do for society as a whole? does it make it worse? research says yeah, it makes it worse this would get into the morality of abortion to keep going so nice try, but no abortion to me is murder because life starts at conception just like i woudlnt want to abort a baby cow either now im goinjg shopping so ill be back shortly

So it is NEED above all other factors? Okay so if there is no excuse for most of us to be killing animals for food there is also NO excuse for non medically necessary abortions. Be consistent is all I'm requiring of you to be taken seriously. Once again you've oversimplified things and even changed the point a bit to something more in your favor but you haven't even attempted to touch my point(s). You won't tell the woman her elective abortion (non medically necessary .. no rape or incest) choices are cruel but those who want to eat meat are cruel and you'll go on and on and on and on "debating" to use the term loosely that they lack empathy and whatnot. This is inconsistent and arbitrary. Is there a right to life? Cut and try yes or no answer me that..... Both your veganism and abortion arguments cut into the fabric of the concept of "right to life" which means that they are either BOTH going to be nuanced or NEITHER is. If you can allow for nuance in wither abortion is "okay" then you should be consistent and allow nuance in whether killing animals for food is "okay". You get on literally everyone else for dodging your questions but all you ever do is dodge and change the discussion. I have never seen you directly address the point of another person. Hell we've been publicly debating various things multiple times and you never did it with me. If you have with someone else I've missed it but I highly doubt you have.

how is killing and torturing animals for mouth pleasure, which is cruel and inhumane and also is kiling our environment worse then any other factor the same as abortion?

not to mention I SAID ABORTION IS MURDER so idk if your being willfully ignorant or if it comes naturally to you

you didnt answer me, rein im sure if you saw a dog suffering, would you walk away or try and help? and helping would not inconvenience you whatsoever the poor dogs leg is bleeding and hes whimpering for someone to help him, but its clear no one is around would you help him empathy doesnt make a society, but it lets it function morals are what stop us from going into slavery again why we stopped the nazi's from commiting mass genocide why we hold people accountable when they do wrong if we humans did not use our sense or right and wrong then we would keep slaves do you approve of slavery?

if you wanna debate cero ill take you on >w> on the subject of morality of veganism