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Is that not what i said lamby? Trust me i watch hella documentaries about african wild life and such. With alligators in general the alpha male has reign over the females of the area. Other males mist compete with the alpha for the right to mate. The other male can mate if he sneaks past the alpha, but then if the alpha catches him he will kill him. This encourages that only the strongest survive AGAIN survival of the fittest. Recreation means nothing when you have weak offspring that die cuz they cant fend for themselves. Animals know this.

you said animals fuck just for recreation didnt you? if you didnt i apologize not sure what your point is and what this has to do with veganism? because wer stronger we can rule over them? their lives dont matter? then why does the life of someone weaker than you matter? if strength gives you the moral authority over others and all

dear lord dat boi you just said intelligence doesnt matter =_= does it or doesnt it xD!!

if a human is gonna die, and the only way to save them is to kill an animal the animal can die but as we both agree on, we dont NEED to consume animals

we need to simplify the debate everyone needs to pick one thing that gives humans the normal authority over humans panda picked survival of the fittest, so strength and dat boi picked intelligence am i wrong?

Lamby I don't think you realize that you have two beliefs that cannot possibly logically exist together. When it comes to animals and just about anything you're all life is sacred and it is cruel to kill an animal even for sustenance (unless some very limited set of practices and methods are used) However this whole "right to life" concept goes right out of the window for you when it comes to a child in the womb. If you're for elective abortions (ones where there is no rape, incest, and the pregnancy isn't threatening the life of the mother - which is most abortions) then you are contradicting yourself with your entire argument over "cruelty to animals" or however you would sum up your entire argument on "ethical animal treatment". Examine your "right to life" belief on both animals and a person (or something that will develop into a human if you prefer) and good luck trying to reconcile those conflicting beliefs without either your head exploding or becoming a complete hypocrite with a fractured logic and moral compass. Your mental gymnastics on these two concepts is mind boggling. Lamby you're arguing passionately and fiercely.... but not well at all. Lamby humans are far from the only species on the planet that kills in order to sustain themselves even if our methodologies are different the end result is the same. Whether you get bitten in the neck like a lion would to a gazelle or slaughtered in a barn - still going to feel pain and still going to die. Why should humans be held to this higher standard. Our strengths vs other species on this planet is intellect and it makes complete sense and is consistent that we interact with other species and sustain ourselves with other species based off of that. If I use a bow and arrow to hunt a deer vs a rifle vs mass herding them into a slaughterhouse the end result is the same - a painful death. Also in ANY scenario where one creature sustains itself with another (not talking like breastfeeding here but you get my point - I hope) there is going to be a cruel death (unless some killing of another creature isn't cruel in this context?). Telling other humans not to sustain themselves with what their strengths are over other species is just plain dumb. Do you expect a bear not to use its overwhelming strength against species physically weaker than it? Do you expect cheetahs not to use their great speed to its advantage over its prey? Where are you drawing the line between "ethical" sustenance and "unethical" ? It seems to be an ass random line. Like you've mentioned being okay with hunters as long as they use bow and arrows and use literally the entire body but that sentient animal is still going to feel pain and is still going to die. What's the net difference in methodology? Plus if I want to eat meat - my body my choice :)

when did i say that you cant kill an animal thats harming a human? a human life is always above an animals

@lamby but the life of those weaker than you DONT matter do they? Have you ever killed a fly or a bug? Most people have at one point. Most associate bugs with bacteria ridden creatures that if they get on your food they can pass this onto you and make you sick. Im just killing your arguments as i go XD i forgot we were even talking about veganism idk how we got here tbh. Think orangemilk brought rape into it

I thought it was shits and giggles, now it’s a wall of text!! Better be on your game people!!