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cero
Cero @cero commented on debate
Jan 27, 19 at 1:41pm
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escudertut
Jan 27, 19 at 1:59pm
As far as I know, depending on the country, they are obliged to vaccinate their children. Of course, there are some exceptions, such as religion and, sometimes, philosophical beliefs. This is the case of the United States. But in other countries, such as the United Kingdom or in some countries of South America, nothing can be done about it, since there is no law that requires parents to vaccinate their children. In my opinion, they should do it since they prevent many diseases that could end with the death of their children and yes, there is no cure that has no side effects. But these side effects only occur in a small percentage.
escudertut
Jan 27, 19 at 2:00pm
Cero I don't understand your point of view :D
momoichi
Lamby @momoichi commented on debate
Jan 27, 19 at 2:00pm
@cero and i hate my life so >w>/ fuck me right? on the abortion end i personally think even plan b is murder because when the cells divide thats life the process begins and if you end it thats murder but im not about to push that opinion on anyone and tell a woman in i dont even know the circumstances what my definition of murder is having a child is life changing and can be life ruining, so like hell id make that decision for someone else plus women are going to get abortions regardless, and the law only hurts poor women whos babies are only going to contribute to crime statistics
yaasshat
yaasshat @yaasshat commented on debate
Jan 27, 19 at 3:05pm
We have yet to determine when "life" begins, but we do know that the cells responsible for making the heat start to "beat" within a week or two of conception. I mean, after one month, that was the first time I got to hear my son's heart beat. However, it's more of a moral dilemma more than anything. People call it murder, no matter the reason or time frame. But, what of the kids who were brought into situations of abuse or extreme poverty? Is it right to say, life was the right choice? Again, more of a moral call. I only agree with abortion in cases of medical necessity or rape. Life is a precious thing, to me. And don't get me started on "It's my body and my choice.".
momoichi
Lamby @momoichi commented on debate
Jan 27, 19 at 3:20pm
my body my choice, yass
napalmamaterasu
Yasshat how dare you mansplain "my body my choice" like that. A woman has the divine ultimate right to do with her body without regulation or consequence. That is her right to health care. Oppressive sexist partiarchy in action! How dare you expect a woman to even think of personal responsibility! /sarc Anywho as far as abortion goes I do believe it should be an option in cases of incest, rape, and health of the mother (the pregnancy is legitimately hazardous to her health - not just an inconvienience). However in any other case I am open to abortion but certainly not unfettered the way planned parenthood snd feminists want it. With the exception of the three cases mentioned at first it shouldn't be on the taxpayer dime. In theory Id even be in favor of a very early on extracting stem cells for their valuable research value. That way "life" overall is still being benefitted by the research and knowledge hopefully gained. However in practice I can see how opening this option up can be dangerous and could be abused.
napalmamaterasu
The only other case Id be for abortion on the taxpayer dime is in cases where birth control was used and failed. This is another I like it more in theory and practice as personal privacy can be pretty violated as well as the awkwardness of having to prove birth control measures were taken. For now I'll table the "invasive" dilemma. Since I believe in personal responsibility and birth control is a part of that its use should be taken into consideration. Since measures would be taken to avoid the entire dilemma I don't see it being right to force parenthood on people who had recreational sex responsibly but that small chance of an event happened (since not all birth control is 100% effective). However still in these cases it should still happen early on (like 6-8 weeks tops). As much as I believe in personal responsibility it shouldn't be some catchall concept to block protectionism. These abortions would be performed under different circumstances than "Oh I can't care for it so this is my option" or "oops I was a bit careless what I let happen to me"
momoichi
Lamby @momoichi commented on debate
Jan 27, 19 at 4:15pm
dont really wanna get in this too deep but giving out free contraception to the poor would save taxpayers money in the long run because prisons and the court system cost us so less crime and more likelihood those impoverished teen mothers (the majority who are having abortions) will be able to get finish schooling and get a steady job and adding to the economy instead of needing welfare to get by might i add women throughout history have been having abortions, just back alley ones making abortion illegal is only hurting the poor women who cant afford to fly out of country to have one, and adding to the crime rate dont really wanna debate this, thats just my two cents
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