Do girls care if your in good shape or not.

Space Cadet, i fundamentally disagree with over half of what you just said. And it does seem to me as if you're projecting. And to be clear, Im not saying that your statement does not apply to a lot of people. But to say no one is immune to it? Not evem close imo

It depends. In real life, good looks(good shapes are included. I don't think an obese person will look rather handsome)will absolutely give people a favorable impression. People who have good looks are more likely to be liked by strangers at first sight even if their true personalities might be shitty. In some cases, some naive girls will not give up on them because of their good looks, though those girls know they are assholes...A cruel truth: in real life, most people will not be interested in knowing how beautiful ur minds are if your looks aren't appealing to them....I mean the vast majority of people are neither handsome/adorable nor ugly, but at least we can make ourselves look tidy and fine...Don't be obese and unkempt. Online, obviously, people who have cute selfies of themselves are more popular. But you can let people get an inkling of your personalities before showing your photos or having video chats, possibly people will ignore ur imperfect looks thanks to ur quite amazing personalities, as long as they aren't into superficialities.

Seen ugly people with beautiful people, seen beautiful people who couldn't find a partner to save their life(Seemingly have a few on this site)... But, are there preferences? Sure. However, there is no universal one size fits all answer. Do the majority prefer what society deems as physically beautiful? Sure do. Are the majority so obsessed with appearance, that it is a make or break kind of thing? To a degree. Your appearance tells others a lot about you. For instance, wear nice clothes, but have no money? People will assume you know how to take care of yourself(and have abundant resources), with out knowing the truth. Appearances tend to be a facade at some point, but a facade that helps garner attention (Like a peacock with a beautiful and large display.) and make you seem like a good choice for a mate. A good, healthy appearance, makes one look like a good choice for breeding(Whether they are or aren't.). Luckily, humans don't judge solely on outward appearance. Most want something with more substance that'll hopefully indicate the other person will be stable and provide protection/support(Emotional, financial,physical... Etc.) for the long haul. So, long story short, take care of yourself as a whole. But, I only have opinions and could be wrong.

Halo, you disagree with half of what I said? Good! That's what happens when one gives their opinions! Except, there's something missing on your end for us to have a conversation about my opinions: an explanation for why you disagree. For a person to just proclaim that they disagree with someone accomplishes very little. Tell me what you disagree with and why; don't just say you disagree. To help me understand your perspective, I have to be given reasons. As for my opinions being a projection... well, duh. Opinions tend to be projections of our OWN perspectives. I assume your counter-argument to me saying no one is completely immune to the way others look at us (which, btw, I provided examples of, while you've provided none to reinforce your side) is that you 100% infallibly do NOTHING regarding your vanity in an attempt to persuade how others view you, right? (I'd also call you a liar) Am I wrong? If so, correct me. Am I right? If so, then you've done nothing but mirror your accusation towards me that I'm just projecting.

Eh...I got some free time so what the hell (: Let's look at the thesis of your statement: "Doing it ONLY "for yourself" is a bunch of crap." >Okay so right away you are both dismissing internal motivation and at the same time setting up a "all or nothing" argument. I will go into more detail on that down the road. "ALL of our main drive pertaining to our appearance is how others view us. Guys do not work out just so they can stare at themselves in the mirror and be like "Yessir, I did all this for you, Man-in-the-mirror!" They do it to make themselves more appealing, which in turn gives them more confidence." >See now that All is betraying the point you seem to be setting up. From what I gather your argument seems to be that everyone only does these things in an attempt to feed their ego via the impressions that they get from others. Problem is that the existence of even 1 person with a different motivation completely destroys your argument. And there are plenty of reasons outside of impressing others for one to want to get into shape. Here are just a few: -Health. Maybe they are overweight and are being told by their doctor that if they don't get into shape that they could die. Or maybe they are one of those people who get out of breath just going up and down stairs and are sick of being so weak so they try to do it to function better. -Loved ones. Could be a mother or father who wants to hang more with their kids or a spry old coot who doesn't want to be a dependent burden on others so they try to keep themselves active and doing things instead of just sitting still. Hanging out witht he little ones can drain a lot out of you after all. -Maybe it is just a personal desire to get better. Maybe they look at themselves in the mirror and think "Hmmm, I hate the way I look " or " I don't feel good about this, I need to make a change". I'll use an analogy. It's akin to having a dirty room. You see food remains on old plates stacked up, dishes that need to be washed, clothes all over the ground, an unmade bed, bottles all over the place. It feels uncomfortable just being in that room. It can have little or even nothing to do with impressing others. Now sure, there are those people who only keep their room clean when guests arrive/ because they frequently have guests. There are those who decorate their house and add amenities in order to impress random strangers who drive by or visit. But it is both unfair and presumptuous of you to claim this is the chief motivation for everyone. Which leads me to my next point. "I personally do NOT use my elliptical, free weights, and do sit-ups a few days a week just to take selfies and look at them before I go to bed. I do NOT dress up in collared shirts, sweaters, and cardigans just to eat a microwave dinner by myself. Practically everything is about how others will perceive us. The car we drive. The job we work. The house we live in. Being single on holidays that celebrate couples. NO ONE is immune to this. Anyone that says they don't care what others think is full of shit. Why does 90% of this site not show pictures of themselves? Because of the social anxiety of how others will judge them." This is why my saying that your projecting is an issue. You take YOUR motivations, YOUR reasons, and YOUR experiences and apply them to everyone. Am I saying that there exists no one who pursues fitness purely or even mostly for the attention and validation of others? Absolutely not. The power that is afforded to someone when they are perceived as attractive and powerful is the social equivalent of perpetually eating a high-class meal. It's an entirely different world. I know this because I've been on both sides. But my reasons for working out and going to the gym have little to do with receiving compliments or accolades for my efforts. My issue with your statement is that it seems to suggest that the whole of anyone's motivation is other people. "Practically everything is about how others will perceive us" Also I take issue with how you phrase my supposed rebuttal. "no one is COMPLETELY IMMUNE to the way others look at us...is that you 100% INFALLIBLY do NOTHING regarding your vanity in an attempt to persuade how others view you" Using such solid definitive language to suggest that it has to be an all or nothing response. No. I reject the notion that I need to swing the pendulum in the opposite direction to describe what I take issue with. I don't like the suggestion that all or even most people CHIEFLY,MAINLY, PRIMARILY, ESSENTIALLY do it for the sake of impressing others. I disagree with your disregard for internal motivation or other factors being at play. Ever heard of a minimalist? Some people do not care how others perceive the car that they drive. They just drive the car that they want. A lot of people choose their job because it makes them happy or puts food on the table and has very little if anything to do with the public's eye. A lot of people on this site both do and do not use photos for various reasons. Matters of security. Matters of trust and intimacy. Maybe they were stalked in the past and thus are very careful about who they let have too much information. There could be religious factors at work where taking photos of oneself is something that they do not believe in. They could be the introvert who doesn't participate in social media, they could just be someone who values their privacy and doesn't like the idea that some random stranger can take their image and do with it anything other person wants absent any consent. Like for example the 18 year old who sued her parents for posting her baby photos on Facebook. Now you might find this an extreme reaction but from her perspective, her privacy was being violated. IT had nothing to do with her thinking that she was an ugly baby. Once those pictures are up all one needs to do is hit "Save as" and instantly there is no truly getting rid of them. Believe it or not some people don't like the idea that a stranger can do with their image whatever said stranger wants. And looking like a model would not change that. Some of us do like to try and look good just because it makes us feel good to look good. Recognized a long time ago that the approval-seeking motivation of doing it to impress others is self-defeating. A. Because you put all the power in the other person's hands and B. Because it relies on motivation rather than discipline. One can simply want to live a happy life and be okay with themselves or with someone else. Your projecting in this instance the reasons for people doing it is where I take issue. And since most of what you're saying seems to be that EVERYONE primarily gets in shape and works on their appearance for impressing others. I fundamentally disagree. Rather than making allowances for exceptions, you rebuke them. Also I'm not really sure that this is a conversation I want to have. I might be wrong here but it seems to me that you aren't looking for other thoughts to consider but rather are just cracking your knuckles waiting to tell me why I'm wrong.

my initial plan was to just stay fit by doing an average routine but i kinda like to see what other people think