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Are you more averse to guilt or shame?

burninghalo
You have a point Yass. I did jump the gun in assuming that people would just naturally all want to provide details.
yaasshat
I have a question for you, Why does guilt and shame=pride and principle?
yamadaed
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burninghalo
In my eyes, it's because of what it entails a person will do given a time where both are challenged. Which do you value more? Guilt to me can be likened to principle because the motivation is internal. I feel bad because I personally think that what I did was wrong. Contrast that with shame where I feel bad not necessarily because I did wrong but because of how it makes me be perceived in the eyes of others I.e. external motivation. Now sure there are times where doing the right thing both falls in line with moral principles and your own pride. But there are also times where you have the choice to do something you might feel guilty about but will do anyway for the sake of your pride so you don't feel shamed. Example being if you did something wrong in a relationship. Some people can't humbly admit they are in the wrong because their pride won't allow it.
silhouettes_02
To me, I think of shame as being a social thing. And guilt as being more familial or guilt trips done by people you know on a more personal level. To that regard, shame doesn't really affect me because I don't do much to really have it apply or take that opinion from someone relatively unknown to me seriously. Guilt trips on the otherhand bother me. Especially when unjustified or undeserved.
burninghalo
Pride and principle are simply the opposite sides of this coin. I feel good because I personally did the right thing vs. I feel good because of how doing said thing will make me look. And I'm not saying one motivation is better than the other. But that's why I likened each one to the other
john_felix
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chocopyro
I have plenty of pride, but I am usually the first to admit I'm wrong and issue an apology if it's my fault. When I sort through conflicts, I try to be as real, fair, and accurate as possible to make sure nobody is butthurt. Even if its me. I know what its like to be victim of an injustice or a machiavellian type's games, so because of that, I empathize easily with people who feel victimized. Thus I guess guilt tends to be closer to what I feel. Shame? I honestly can't remember the last time I really felt that in a way that deeply affected me.
infernalmonsoon
Principle. Pride is important to me and I believe its important for everyone to have so they can keep a healthy ego about themselves but when I fuck up, I want to own up to the fact that I have - not just to others but to myself as well because it helps me become a better person in the process. Shifting the blame on others or trying to ignore the issue or dress it up as something else just to try and protect an already shattered image is just a sad and immature thing to do imo.
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