Demon souls, Dark souls and Dark souls 2

@Panda, If your having trouble, Make sure your equipment is all as high a level you can get, Especially your weapon. Orn and Smou are both weak to fire (So Pyro them to death if you want, or making and leveling up a fire weapon), As Gods they are also weak to Occult weapons,Made by the dark ember in the painted world. Finally, I say kill Smough first, Since I find powered up Orns to be much easier then he is. Also Remember to use the pillars(Broken or not) to get them away from each other even if it's just a few feet and to heal when you can. They are just one big waiting game really, Just wait for a time where they both just attacked or one is even just slightly isolated from the other, Then attack. Finally if you have heavy armor and fatroll, Then make sure you have a great shield so you can block their attacks when you need too, and or if your fast or midroll, Learn how to dodge their attacks. That's all I can think of other then summoning phantoms(They are for the weak, What are you scrub, Casul??!?!http://youtu.be/oyA8odjCzZ4 http://youtu.be/GWPM5k_yYy8 ) Good luck with the four kings on ng+ bro!

Duude all that you said i do already XD i have chaos fireball thingy, fireball and tempest i use black knights sword, i have black iron armor i fat roll though i hide behind pillars...i think smough is easy to kill plus i already have ornsteins soul i have estus flask +5 and used the rite of kindling on the first bon fire you come across to get 15

Alright, Well you bump it up one more time to give you twenty(which can help alot if your getting hit alot). Fire tempest is bad for this fight, It takes to long to fire. Try not to use your fire on smough, Unless your certain it will hit because his hammer will block any damage like a shield. Do whatever you find comfortable then, Kill orns first then. You can level up your flask two more times if you want. What's your shield, and is your BK sword maxed out at plus 5? Do it if you can, Your in anor londo and Tiny(The giant blacksmith) sells twinkling Titanite which is used to level up all bk equipment. What level is your armor? And finally what level is your pyromancy flame, You want it to be an ascended flame plus 5(Basicaly plus 21) by now, to do any significant amount of damage. To ascend a pyro glove, You have to talk to Quelanna and she'll do it for like 30,000 souls, and then continue to level them up. Finally if you can try to learn how to fight them without armor and just dodging, It will make it much easier once you get the hang of it, Especially these two since they have so many attacks and so little openings.

Bk sword maxed, armor at +5 all except the helmet, pyromancy flame im not sure but i've upgraded quite a bit. Kk i will drop tempest and about sun bro he doesnt pop up this time and i went and talked to him yet he doesnt move can i not use him?

SunBro you have to summon, Once you summoned him he will follow you. To summon him you must be human, And he will be on the steps, Or his sign will be, I recommend you kill everything before summoning him so he doesn't get injured and for extra souls. Your armor can go to +10 by the way. Remember, Buffing your bonfire to plus three (20 flasks) is very helpful as well. You have a good shield, so that's all set. Yeah remember I said the maxed is 21, When I farmed for it, I literally spent around 150k souls to max it out. So that just gives you an idea of how much takes(Though it only took about an hour to get all those souls)

How do you upgrade to +15? And no i mean sun bro doesnt move from the castle spot at all he is just staring at the sun (where you first meet him)

Oh, hmm that's just odd, May be a glitch of some sort. No but your armor can be over +5, the type of shield you have is a boss weapon type, Which maxes out at 5. To get plus 15 weapons you have to use titanite chunks and a slab, And you have to use the Very Large ember found in the new londo ruins https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yE4SeJZe-fk But you can't level the black knight sword any higher then 5, Plus it's a good weapon to begin with.